Anonymous
Post 04/30/2013 20:41     Subject: If you are religious, do you believe in any version of evolution?
Anonymous wrote:I was dumbfounded to discover my sis in law doesn't believe in evolution at all. Strict creationism. I thought most religious people thought something like Intelligent Design. What about you? Why/why not?



Catholic here- of course I do.I am not ignorant. Just religious.

Anonymous
Post 04/30/2013 20:37     Subject: If you are religious, do you believe in any version of evolution?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Catholic and of course understand evolution (I think "believe in" is a ridiculous way to frame understanding science and fact - something either is or isn't, I don't "believe in" the theory of cell division, for example).



Another Catholic. Completely accept evolution. The ridiculousness of ultra-conservative Christianity is one of the many reasons we left the Southern Baptist church 20 years ago.


+1. Lifelong Catholic here. God has no sense of time as we on this particular planet know it (i.e. 24/7/365), so the Book of Genesis' use of 7 days to describe the time before time is clearly metaphorical or a best effort at describing creation.

I actually come down the other direction, looking at the amazing intricacy of all that is involved in the universe as it has evolved, how do you not believe in some form of God or Intelligenct Design. It's too amazing to be nothing but random chance. But that's another conversation



++!!! 1111 Perfectly said. Both paragraphs. The seven days are metaphor. Or translation difficulty. Who knows? But that's exactly how I fold the two together and have told same to my children. If you have read Eben Alexanders, Proof of Heaven, (the famous non-believing neurosurgeon who had an after death experience) he describes how there is no concept of time in heaven.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2013 20:29     Subject: If you are religious, do you believe in any version of evolution?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No, but I can explain why you believe what you believe. That doesn't mean that I have to agree. However in this society it is very important to be able to regurgitate information with precision.


How do you deal with the large body of physical evidence that supports evolution? Do you not look at the science? Or think it's wrong?


I am making an assumption that the OP is asking how I believe that life on earth came to be. If you are asking if I believe that certain animals and insects have evolved and adapted-sure to some degree. If you are asking if I believe that humans came from monkeys-no. If you are asking me if I believe the earth is billions of years old-no, and I won't apologize for it. However when the time comes for "the answer" I will give you the answer you want to hear and move on. It's not a big deal and my job is not to debate for a living.

You and I have different eyes. It would be like explaining the color blue to someone who has always beeen blind. You can try, and some people might have quite a way with words- but the point of reference will always be different. And most of the time, it will prove to be futile exercise.

One thing that I have learned from obtaining a PhD in a science is that just because someone says something is science, that doesn't make it so. Sometimes people apply the term "science" to concepts that do not qualify. Also, most people don't understand as much as they think they do. Like the poster below...are you asking me about the theory of gravity or the law of gravity? Do you know the difference?


Where do you have a PhD in science from? Bob Jones U?


They said "a science," not "science," so I think they mean social sciences.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2013 20:28     Subject: Re:If you are religious, do you believe in any version of evolution?
Anonymous wrote:Of course.

My sister's MIL and FIL don't believe in evolution. They think fossils were planted by the Devil.


Ooh, my father always said God put them there to test our faith. And I ended up believing in evolution, so I guess I failed God's little test.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2013 16:32     Subject: If you are religious, do you believe in any version of evolution?
There are so many different lines of evidence that all support evolution. Fossil, anatomical, cellular/molecular (DNA). I'm not sure how one argues with them all. I can see using the Bible as a spiritual guide, but not a scientific one.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2013 16:00     Subject: If you are religious, do you believe in any version of evolution?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No, but I can explain why you believe what you believe. That doesn't mean that I have to agree. However in this society it is very important to be able to regurgitate information with precision.


How do you deal with the large body of physical evidence that supports evolution? Do you not look at the science? Or think it's wrong?


I am making an assumption that the OP is asking how I believe that life on earth came to be. If you are asking if I believe that certain animals and insects have evolved and adapted-sure to some degree. If you are asking if I believe that humans came from monkeys-no. If you are asking me if I believe the earth is billions of years old-no, and I won't apologize for it. However when the time comes for "the answer" I will give you the answer you want to hear and move on. It's not a big deal and my job is not to debate for a living.

You and I have different eyes. It would be like explaining the color blue to someone who has always beeen blind. You can try, and some people might have quite a way with words- but the point of reference will always be different. And most of the time, it will prove to be futile exercise.

One thing that I have learned from obtaining a PhD in a science is that just because someone says something is science, that doesn't make it so. Sometimes people apply the term "science" to concepts that do not qualify. Also, most people don't understand as much as they think they do. Like the poster below...are you asking me about the theory of gravity or the law of gravity? Do you know the difference?


Where do you have a PhD in science from? Bob Jones U?
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2013 16:00     Subject: If you are religious, do you believe in any version of evolution?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No, but I can explain why you believe what you believe. That doesn't mean that I have to agree. However in this society it is very important to be able to regurgitate information with precision.


How do you deal with the large body of physical evidence that supports evolution? Do you not look at the science? Or think it's wrong?


I am making an assumption that the OP is asking how I believe that life on earth came to be. If you are asking if I believe that certain animals and insects have evolved and adapted-sure to some degree. If you are asking if I believe that humans came from monkeys-no. If you are asking me if I believe the earth is billions of years old-no, and I won't apologize for it. However when the time comes for "the answer" I will give you the answer you want to hear and move on. It's not a big deal and my job is not to debate for a living.

You and I have different eyes. It would be like explaining the color blue to someone who has always beeen blind. You can try, and some people might have quite a way with words- but the point of reference will always be different. And most of the time, it will prove to be futile exercise.

One thing that I have learned from obtaining a PhD in a science is that just because someone says something is science, that doesn't make it so. Sometimes people apply the term "science" to concepts that do not qualify. Also, most people don't understand as much as they think they do. Like the poster below...are you asking me about the theory of gravity or the law of gravity? Do you know the difference?


You have a PhD in a "science"? Where is from, Liberty "university?"
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2013 15:58     Subject: If you are religious, do you believe in any version of evolution?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No, but I can explain why you believe what you believe. That doesn't mean that I have to agree. However in this society it is very important to be able to regurgitate information with precision.


How do you deal with the large body of physical evidence that supports evolution? Do you not look at the science? Or think it's wrong?


I am making an assumption that the OP is asking how I believe that life on earth came to be. If you are asking if I believe that certain animals and insects have evolved and adapted-sure to some degree. If you are asking if I believe that humans came from monkeys-no. If you are asking me if I believe the earth is billions of years old-no, and I won't apologize for it. However when the time comes for "the answer" I will give you the answer you want to hear and move on. It's not a big deal and my job is not to debate for a living.

You and I have different eyes. It would be like explaining the color blue to someone who has always beeen blind. You can try, and some people might have quite a way with words- but the point of reference will always be different. And most of the time, it will prove to be futile exercise.

One thing that I have learned from obtaining a PhD in a science is that just because someone says something is science, that doesn't make it so. Sometimes people apply the term "science" to concepts that do not qualify. Also, most people don't understand as much as they think they do. Like the poster below...are you asking me about the theory of gravity or the law of gravity? Do you know the difference?
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2013 14:42     Subject: If you are religious, do you believe in any version of evolution?
Anonymous wrote:Catholic and of course understand evolution (I think "believe in" is a ridiculous way to frame understanding science and fact - something either is or isn't, I don't "believe in" the theory of cell division, for example).



+1 People who are both religious and intelligent can understand that evolution does not preclude God.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2013 14:40     Subject: If you are religious, do you believe in any version of evolution?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Catholic and of course understand evolution (I think "believe in" is a ridiculous way to frame understanding science and fact - something either is or isn't, I don't "believe in" the theory of cell division, for example).



Another Catholic. Completely accept evolution. The ridiculousness of ultra-conservative Christianity is one of the many reasons we left the Southern Baptist church 20 years ago.


+1. Lifelong Catholic here. God has no sense of time as we on this particular planet know it (i.e. 24/7/365), so the Book of Genesis' use of 7 days to describe the time before time is clearly metaphorical or a best effort at describing creation.

I actually come down the other direction, looking at the amazing intricacy of all that is involved in the universe as it has evolved, how do you not believe in some form of God or Intelligenct Design. It's too amazing to be nothing but random chance. But that's another conversation
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2013 13:28     Subject: If you are religious, do you believe in any version of evolution?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No, but I can explain why you believe what you believe. That doesn't mean that I have to agree. However in this society it is very important to be able to regurgitate information with precision.


Do you believe in gravity?


Gravity was a curse put by the Devil to prevent us from floating up to heaven.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2013 13:23     Subject: Re:If you are religious, do you believe in any version of evolution?
Wow on the fossils!!

Have a relative who was both a scientist and a Baptist. Believed that the Bible was metaphorical and in evolution.

I'm agnostic and believe that evolution is a probable, mostly correct theory, but has a few holes. As with any theory.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2013 13:11     Subject: Re:If you are religious, do you believe in any version of evolution?
Of course.

My sister's MIL and FIL don't believe in evolution. They think fossils were planted by the Devil.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2013 09:27     Subject: If you are religious, do you believe in any version of evolution?
Intelligent Design is really creationism in disguise. Your SIL is a Bible literalist - she probably thinks the universe is less than 10,000 years old. Did you know 18% of Americans think the Sun goes around the Earth? There's no helping some people.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2013 09:26     Subject: If you are religious, do you believe in any version of evolution?
I believe in evolution. I don't take the bible literally. Which probably makes me a heathen in some folks eyes.