Anonymous
Post 03/28/2013 08:11     Subject: Those that have moved from DC to Baltimore...

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Loyola Blakefield is most certainly in the 25k range, if not more.

And in Baltimore, public transportation really isn't an option within the city. The bus options aren't the same as the bus in D.C., and the light rail is nothing near the metro.

Of course, all of these things can be dealt with, but the OP needs to be aware and accept it if she/he decides to move to Baltimore.



Loyola Blakefield is $17,660. A chunk of change, no doubt, but not $25k.

http://loyolablakefield.org/page.aspx?pid=476


there are always additional expenses on top of the quoted tuition and fees.


Not to split hairs, but $7,000 worth of additional expenses?
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2013 23:51     Subject: Those that have moved from DC to Baltimore...

Thanks everyone. I really appreciate all of the threads and they've given me a ton to consider. Only one of us has a job offer and we would not move unless both did, so we'll see how that pans out. This has also made me realize that we'll need several more trips there to check out specific neighborhoods more closely before we consider moving. We planned to do this anyway, but reading your posts has made me realize I was probably idealizing it a bit. Thanks again to all for all of the very helpful info!
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2013 23:39     Subject: Those that have moved from DC to Baltimore...

HATED it - it's the most atrocious place I have ever lived. It's so ghetto - most of downtown is boarded up or not occupied. You cannot walk 1 block at night without being approached but drug addict bumbs. Some hodl onto signs screaming and spitting all over themselves. Others pass out standing up (heroin is my guess) and have sores all over them. Ugh! And every block smells like bum pee. A lot of the locals have no teeth and sit on their stoops talking about their trip to the wound center (for diabetic sores). I had to kick junkie hookers off my stoop in the morning and people used the area in front for their make shift flea markets every day selling black market rap CD's and one heroin addict who lived on our block would keep his spoon out my window and sleep in the storage behind the rowhouse and one time he burned the whole thing down. And I didn't even live in a bad neighborhood. I could go on, and on, and on. It's just atrocious. Trust me. Just move to someplace cheaper like silver spring and give your kids a chance.
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2013 23:18     Subject: Those that have moved from DC to Baltimore...

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Loyola Blakefield is most certainly in the 25k range, if not more.

And in Baltimore, public transportation really isn't an option within the city. The bus options aren't the same as the bus in D.C., and the light rail is nothing near the metro.

Of course, all of these things can be dealt with, but the OP needs to be aware and accept it if she/he decides to move to Baltimore.



Loyola Blakefield is $17,660. A chunk of change, no doubt, but not $25k.

http://loyolablakefield.org/page.aspx?pid=476


there are always additional expenses on top of the quoted tuition and fees.
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2013 21:34     Subject: Those that have moved from DC to Baltimore...

Anonymous wrote:Loyola Blakefield is most certainly in the 25k range, if not more.

And in Baltimore, public transportation really isn't an option within the city. The bus options aren't the same as the bus in D.C., and the light rail is nothing near the metro.

Of course, all of these things can be dealt with, but the OP needs to be aware and accept it if she/he decides to move to Baltimore.



Loyola Blakefield is $17,660. A chunk of change, no doubt, but not $25k.

http://loyolablakefield.org/page.aspx?pid=476
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2013 21:31     Subject: Those that have moved from DC to Baltimore...

Loyola Blakefield is most certainly in the 25k range, if not more.

And in Baltimore, public transportation really isn't an option within the city. The bus options aren't the same as the bus in D.C., and the light rail is nothing near the metro.

Of course, all of these things can be dealt with, but the OP needs to be aware and accept it if she/he decides to move to Baltimore.

Anonymous
Post 03/27/2013 21:27     Subject: Those that have moved from DC to Baltimore...

I think the really nice wallpaper store thing was a joke.

I think PP is spot on.

I think the big thing is the job market and the fact that even the nice areas, like Roland Park, aren't walkable/transit friendly in the way the OP seems to hope.

Again, Baltimore has many positive aspects and a quirky identity. But I think if the OP wants a cheaper Arlington/Bethesda, she is absolutely not going to find that anywhere in Baltimore.

Anonymous
Post 03/27/2013 21:14     Subject: Those that have moved from DC to Baltimore...

Anonymous wrote:It's important to look at Baltimore clearly, OP. You will be able to afford a much nicer house than you can afford in Bethesda or Chevy Chase. But you will be faced with a lot more crime. It's not something you'll see in the nicer neighborhoods of Baltimore, but it's something you live with. You never leave anything in your car, you always turn on your alarm, even if you're running out for 15 minutes to pick up the kids from school. The roads are atrocious and the drivers are horrible, even worse than DC drivers. There is not as much traffic as in DC, but whenever there's a problem (construction, for example, a parade, a special event), there is very little police traffic control, so you can get stuck for hours, literally.

There are a few decent public schools in the city, and some charter schools that are good, but extremely difficult to get into (just as in DC). Most of the city schools are atrocious, so you'll likely spend a minimum of 25K to send each child to school, including preschool. Yes, cheaper than DC privates, but not exactly cheap. Parochial schools are less expensive. The suburbs do have better schools. Howard county has the best schools, so if you can manage the commute to Ellicott City, you'll do well. Columbia has good and less good schools, so you'll have to be careful buying there. Catonsville I would skip, but it does have a good seafood restaurant and a nice wallpaper store. Ellicott City is mostly subdivisions and McMansions, although there's a cute central area that has some small stone houses and a lot of antiques stores and other touristy shops. Towson is just north of Baltimore, has good schools (in some parts) less good schools in others, so you have to be careful buying there.

Real estate is not cheap in the nicest areas, Roland Park, Guilford, Homeland, a few other pockets in the city. It's even more expensive in Towson, nearly as expensive as Arlington. If you want a townhouse, you can get a lovely century-old rowhouse in Bolton Hill, but there is so much crime in the area that there's a private police force policing Bolton Hill at night.

Personally, I would not do it, OP. I don't think the charms of "charm city" are worth giving up the cosmopolitan live of DC.

However, if you have a good or great job offer, that's another story. As PPs have said, the job market sucks in Baltimore. If only one of you has a job, it's not likely the other will find work quickly or easily, unless you are in an extremely desirable field. Baltimore operates very much on old school ties, so if you have no network, you are not in a good position to find work, unless you are at Hopkins, in which case that's a different story.

There are other ways to make DC work, OP. I'd look at all of those before making the move to Baltimore, unless you don't mind moving back to DC if you decide Baltimore isn't for you.


Just curious, PP, What is your experience with Baltimore? No offense, but you lose some cred when citing a "really nice" wallpaper store in Catonsville.

Also, private schools can be expensive in Baltimore, but not all are in the 25K range. Check out the Greenmount School, Calvert School, Wilkes School and, for high school, Loyola Blakefield. Or preschool at Bolton Hill Nursery or Govans, just to name a few.
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2013 20:27     Subject: Those that have moved from DC to Baltimore...

Anonymous wrote:It's important to look at Baltimore clearly, OP. You will be able to afford a much nicer house than you can afford in Bethesda or Chevy Chase. But you will be faced with a lot more crime. It's not something you'll see in the nicer neighborhoods of Baltimore, but it's something you live with. You never leave anything in your car, you always turn on your alarm, even if you're running out for 15 minutes to pick up the kids from school. The roads are atrocious and the drivers are horrible, even worse than DC drivers. There is not as much traffic as in DC, but whenever there's a problem (construction, for example, a parade, a special event), there is very little police traffic control, so you can get stuck for hours, literally.

There are a few decent public schools in the city, and some charter schools that are good, but extremely difficult to get into (just as in DC). Most of the city schools are atrocious, so you'll likely spend a minimum of 25K to send each child to school, including preschool. Yes, cheaper than DC privates, but not exactly cheap. Parochial schools are less expensive. The suburbs do have better schools. Howard county has the best schools, so if you can manage the commute to Ellicott City, you'll do well. Columbia has good and less good schools, so you'll have to be careful buying there. Catonsville I would skip, but it does have a good seafood restaurant and a nice wallpaper store. Ellicott City is mostly subdivisions and McMansions, although there's a cute central area that has some small stone houses and a lot of antiques stores and other touristy shops. Towson is just north of Baltimore, has good schools (in some parts) less good schools in others, so you have to be careful buying there.

Real estate is not cheap in the nicest areas, Roland Park, Guilford, Homeland, a few other pockets in the city. It's even more expensive in Towson, nearly as expensive as Arlington. If you want a townhouse, you can get a lovely century-old rowhouse in Bolton Hill, but there is so much crime in the area that there's a private police force policing Bolton Hill at night.

Personally, I would not do it, OP. I don't think the charms of "charm city" are worth giving up the cosmopolitan live of DC.

However, if you have a good or great job offer, that's another story. As PPs have said, the job market sucks in Baltimore. If only one of you has a job, it's not likely the other will find work quickly or easily, unless you are in an extremely desirable field. Baltimore operates very much on old school ties, so if you have no network, you are not in a good position to find work, unless you are at Hopkins, in which case that's a different story.

There are other ways to make DC work, OP. I'd look at all of those before making the move to Baltimore, unless you don't mind moving back to DC if you decide Baltimore isn't for you.


great post. there are properties in Mt. Vernon that I salivate over but unless I was in medicine (so many good hospitals in a small area between UMD, JHU, Union Memorial, etc), academia at JHU or UMD law/med, or in buy-side finance at T.Rowe Price, I would not move up there. I love love love Mt. Vernon though (and Guilford, Roland Park, Homeland)....I just hate the economy and insular people up there.
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2013 20:06     Subject: Those that have moved from DC to Baltimore...

It's important to look at Baltimore clearly, OP. You will be able to afford a much nicer house than you can afford in Bethesda or Chevy Chase. But you will be faced with a lot more crime. It's not something you'll see in the nicer neighborhoods of Baltimore, but it's something you live with. You never leave anything in your car, you always turn on your alarm, even if you're running out for 15 minutes to pick up the kids from school. The roads are atrocious and the drivers are horrible, even worse than DC drivers. There is not as much traffic as in DC, but whenever there's a problem (construction, for example, a parade, a special event), there is very little police traffic control, so you can get stuck for hours, literally.

There are a few decent public schools in the city, and some charter schools that are good, but extremely difficult to get into (just as in DC). Most of the city schools are atrocious, so you'll likely spend a minimum of 25K to send each child to school, including preschool. Yes, cheaper than DC privates, but not exactly cheap. Parochial schools are less expensive. The suburbs do have better schools. Howard county has the best schools, so if you can manage the commute to Ellicott City, you'll do well. Columbia has good and less good schools, so you'll have to be careful buying there. Catonsville I would skip, but it does have a good seafood restaurant and a nice wallpaper store. Ellicott City is mostly subdivisions and McMansions, although there's a cute central area that has some small stone houses and a lot of antiques stores and other touristy shops. Towson is just north of Baltimore, has good schools (in some parts) less good schools in others, so you have to be careful buying there.

Real estate is not cheap in the nicest areas, Roland Park, Guilford, Homeland, a few other pockets in the city. It's even more expensive in Towson, nearly as expensive as Arlington. If you want a townhouse, you can get a lovely century-old rowhouse in Bolton Hill, but there is so much crime in the area that there's a private police force policing Bolton Hill at night.

Personally, I would not do it, OP. I don't think the charms of "charm city" are worth giving up the cosmopolitan live of DC.

However, if you have a good or great job offer, that's another story. As PPs have said, the job market sucks in Baltimore. If only one of you has a job, it's not likely the other will find work quickly or easily, unless you are in an extremely desirable field. Baltimore operates very much on old school ties, so if you have no network, you are not in a good position to find work, unless you are at Hopkins, in which case that's a different story.

There are other ways to make DC work, OP. I'd look at all of those before making the move to Baltimore, unless you don't mind moving back to DC if you decide Baltimore isn't for you.
Anonymous
Post 03/26/2013 23:08     Subject: Those that have moved from DC to Baltimore...

We moved from DC to Baltimore 3 years ago and love it. I agree with some of what has been said -- the job market here is weak. (DH works for a university here and I telecommute for a company in NYC.) The property taxes are high. But, I disagree that private schools are a must. Our child is in a public charter school and we are VERY happy with it. The charter school lottery is a crap shoot, admittedly, but I just point that not everyone sends their kids to private. (Oh, and privates are nearly as expensive as they are in DC. Seriously.)

I like that the pace of life is a bit slower here. Housing costs less so people don't have to scramble as much. Traffic in the city isn't nearly as bad as it would be if we were in DC. The city itself has a lot of character and I've found people to be very friendly. In short, I like this city a lot.

We did not own a car before we moved here and Baltimore has not been as walker-friendly as I would have hoped. The transit system leaves much to be desired. With that said, we are in a tiny neighborhood of rowhouses just north of Charles Village (it's called Oakenshawe) and we are able to hitch a bus to take us down to the Harbor, Aquarium, train station without too much trouble.
Anonymous
Post 03/26/2013 22:38     Subject: Re:Those that have moved from DC to Baltimore...

Try Ellicott city. Housing stock is newer than Bmore city, and there is little crime. Prices will be about same as Roland park but you'll have a bigger yard.

The commute by car from ellicott city to downtown Bmore is about 25-30 minutes.

But yeah, like ppl have already said, the Baltimorons are provincial, suspicious of outsiders, and generally here because their families have lived here for generations. It's hard to break into circles.

I tried for two years but then moved to DC
Anonymous
Post 03/26/2013 22:16     Subject: Those that have moved from DC to Baltimore...

I would add, it's not just a couple robberies in Catonsville. Armed robbery and carjackings are also up in Catonsville. In some ways, crime in Catonsville is worse than certain sections of the city.

Anonymous
Post 03/26/2013 21:51     Subject: Those that have moved from DC to Baltimore...

I grew up in DC and now live in Baltimore. My parents still live in DC so I can compare. We live in a nice house in Roland Park. It's awesome -- way nicer than anything I could have ever afforded in the DC area. 100 years old, yet beautifully restored, big old trees, side porch, kitchen of dreams. Not only that, it's literally 5 minutes from where my husband and I both work. This totally makes a lifestyle of 2 WOH parents with high pressure jobs doable. We make enough to send our kids to private school (especially since private school costs 1/2 what it does in DC) and until
then have a great nanny for our kids.

So Baltimore is awesome. Way better than DC in these ways. Outside of these aspects it's not DC. DC is a cosmopolitan city with people coming and going from all over the world. Lots of highly educated, upwardly mobile professionals. Baltimore is provincial -- people live here because they are from here. They are friendly. This place is sleepy. Just a few restaurants, although there are a few that are genuinely good. No high culture.

If you both have solid job offers here and your lives are mainly centered around work and raising your kids, Baltimore is way easier than DC. If you will miss having a real city, take that into consideration.
Anonymous
Post 03/26/2013 20:55     Subject: Those that have moved from DC to Baltimore...

Earlier native Baltimorean poster here, and I agree to some extent with what the keeping-it-real posters are saying.

Baltimore's public transpo definitely isn't comparable to DC's. And outside of downtown Baltimore, it's true that walkability in the city isn't comparable to DC--in large part because there's no big Metro system.

Suburb-wise, though, a couple of break-ins in Catonsville doesn't make it crime-ridden. And Towson offers easy car access to downtown, along with a nice close-in suburban feel and *great* schools. For someone who likes Arlington, Towson could be a good fit.

If OP wants to find a DC lifestyle in Baltimore for cheaper, I agree that she's misdirected. But if she's just looking for a better lifestyle on less money, Baltimore could be right.