Anonymous
Post 03/03/2013 07:30     Subject: Transgendered woman in the womens locker room
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Getbreal that's not what I said at all. I said I didn't care but everyone shouldn't be forced to have the same comfort level.


Everyone has the right to have their own comfort level. I can feel uncomfortable sitting next to a black person in a restaurant. i can even go to the owner and complain. But that owner CANNOT go to the black customer who is simply sitting there enjoying a meal and require him to leave because I feel uncomfortable.

So please propose how it should be determined whether to let someone stay or not. The woman in question was NOT engaged in any inappropriate behavior and was following the spa rules. She produced a drivers license indicating she was a female. Yet she made some other customers "uncomfortable" with her appearance. Please share what the determining factor(s) should be to require that person to leave.


Stop. Like it our not, this is still choice they're making. I respect that they made this difficult decision. But to compare this with AA who were judged not by the content of their character, but by the color of their skin is an insult.

This really isn't the civil rights issue of our time.


NP. Of course it's the civil rights issue of our time. Black people were born black and can't do anything about that. Transgender people were born in the wrong body. They can either suffer (which apparently you advocate) or "switch" to their true gender. This woman "chose" to live her true gender and is being discriminated against for it. Saying it is a "character" choice is like saying that you don't want blacks around because they talk or act different than whites.
Anonymous
Post 03/03/2013 07:27     Subject: Transgendered woman in the womens locker room
Transgendered is not really a choice. Trans people still get beaten on a regular basis because they're different. Why would someone choose that?

Also, to the PP with a 4 year old: kids don't have the same genitalia hang ups as adults. They honestly don't care.
Anonymous
Post 03/03/2013 07:19     Subject: Transgendered woman in the womens locker room
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Getbreal that's not what I said at all. I said I didn't care but everyone shouldn't be forced to have the same comfort level.


Everyone has the right to have their own comfort level. I can feel uncomfortable sitting next to a black person in a restaurant. i can even go to the owner and complain. But that owner CANNOT go to the black customer who is simply sitting there enjoying a meal and require him to leave because I feel uncomfortable.

So please propose how it should be determined whether to let someone stay or not. The woman in question was NOT engaged in any inappropriate behavior and was following the spa rules. She produced a drivers license indicating she was a female. Yet she made some other customers "uncomfortable" with her appearance. Please share what the determining factor(s) should be to require that person to leave.


Stop. Like it our not, this is still choice they're making. I respect that they made this difficult decision. But to compare this with AA who were judged not by the content of their character, but by the color of their skin is an insult.

This really isn't the civil rights issue of our time.
Anonymous
Post 03/03/2013 07:04     Subject: Transgendered woman in the womens locker room
Im pretty sure that SHE was the most uncomfortable of everyone.

We have a transgender at my job who switched from a man to a woman last year.

At first I was very uncomfortable with this as she was now going to be using the women's restroom.

I always go out of my way to be really nice to her. I hold the doors, I say hello and thank you. She always smiles at me shyly but she never says anything. I suspect its bc shes self conscious about her voice.

Long story short I am completely comfortable with her being in the womens restroom with me but I think she is still adjusting and definitely more uncomfortable in the restroom than I am.
Anonymous
Post 03/03/2013 06:31     Subject: Transgendered woman in the womens locker room
Anonymous wrote:Getbreal that's not what I said at all. I said I didn't care but everyone shouldn't be forced to have the same comfort level.


Everyone has the right to have their own comfort level. I can feel uncomfortable sitting next to a black person in a restaurant. i can even go to the owner and complain. But that owner CANNOT go to the black customer who is simply sitting there enjoying a meal and require him to leave because I feel uncomfortable.

So please propose how it should be determined whether to let someone stay or not. The woman in question was NOT engaged in any inappropriate behavior and was following the spa rules. She produced a drivers license indicating she was a female. Yet she made some other customers "uncomfortable" with her appearance. Please share what the determining factor(s) should be to require that person to leave.
Anonymous
Post 03/03/2013 02:59     Subject: Transgendered woman in the womens locker room
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Getbreal that's not what I said at all. I said I didn't care but everyone shouldn't be forced to have the same comfort level.


If a person is not comfortable with encountering diversity in public, then maybe that person shouldn't be out in public places.
we're not talking about diversity in public, we're talking about diversity in a room where people are naked. That's a completely different situation. If i'm naked I have a right to feel comfortable about who is seeing me that way. How do I know if that person is a tranny vs a perv pretending to be? Vulvas in one room, penis's in another please.


You can have a born female perv in the spa room with you. The female massaging you ass naked could be a perv, what's your point? Some pervert pedophile teachers teach to be around children, do we not send our children to school anymore?
Anonymous
Post 03/03/2013 02:31     Subject: Transgendered woman in the womens locker room
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Getbreal that's not what I said at all. I said I didn't care but everyone shouldn't be forced to have the same comfort level.


If a person is not comfortable with encountering diversity in public, then maybe that person shouldn't be out in public places.
we're not talking about diversity in public, we're talking about diversity in a room where people are naked. That's a completely different situation. If i'm naked I have a right to feel comfortable about who is seeing me that way. How do I know if that person is a tranny vs a perv pretending to be? Vulvas in one room, penis's in another please.
Anonymous
Post 03/03/2013 01:34     Subject: Transgendered woman in the womens locker room
Anonymous wrote:Pre or post op? It would bother me if there was a penis in the locker room, regardless of how that person identifies.


Does post op seem more committed than pre op?
Anonymous
Post 03/03/2013 01:26     Subject: Transgendered woman in the womens locker room
Anonymous wrote:She had a penis, tons of body hair and you basically walk around naked in spa world. WTF would you do.


I strongly support her right to be there, but I'm also a little confused. At Spa World you're supposed to be naked, and she's transgender, not transexual, which means no surgery as I understand it. And yet she says they objected to her "broad shoulders". Was that a euphemism, or was she stopped before she undressed?
Anonymous
Post 03/03/2013 01:24     Subject: Transgendered woman in the womens locker room
She had a penis, tons of body hair and you basically walk around naked in spa world. WTF would you do.
Anonymous
Post 03/03/2013 01:20     Subject: Transgendered woman in the womens locker room
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They're family oriented. I would not want my 4 yo changing in the same room as a men. My child is too young to understand transgenderism. I have nothing against them but please keep it private. Literally.

I completely agree with their position.


Why are you trying to protect your kid from the world she will eventually have to live in? The earlier you can expose her to different lifestyles, the earlier she can embrace them without fear or stigma.


4 years of age is way too young to understand transgenderism. how would you explain your child that transgender person is allowed in the girls room but her dad and her brother are not?


My child is exposed to many things he's too young to fully understand. Like most kids, he makes sense of it and carries on. I can't imagine witholding everything that he didn't understand.

As far as what to say, "This room is for girls and women. Your daddy is a man, and your brother, and so they go in the men's locker room. She is a woman like me, and so she belongs here." "But she has a penis" "You're right, she does. Most girls and women have vulva's, but some have penises. She's still a woman and this is where she belongs. Now, let's go get in the pool!"
Anonymous
Post 03/03/2013 01:10     Subject: Transgendered woman in the womens locker room
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They're family oriented. I would not want my 4 yo changing in the same room as a men. My child is too young to understand transgenderism. I have nothing against them but please keep it private. Literally.

I completely agree with their position.


Why are you trying to protect your kid from the world she will eventually have to live in? The earlier you can expose her to different lifestyles, the earlier she can embrace them without fear or stigma.


4 years of age is way too young to understand transgenderism. how would you explain your child that transgender person is allowed in the girls room but her dad and her brother are not?
Anonymous
Post 03/03/2013 00:53     Subject: Transgendered woman in the womens locker room
Anonymous wrote:Getbreal that's not what I said at all. I said I didn't care but everyone shouldn't be forced to have the same comfort level.


If a person is not comfortable with encountering diversity in public, then maybe that person shouldn't be out in public places.
Anonymous
Post 03/03/2013 00:42     Subject: Transgendered woman in the womens locker room
Getbreal that's not what I said at all. I said I didn't care but everyone shouldn't be forced to have the same comfort level.
Anonymous
Post 03/03/2013 00:37     Subject: Transgendered woman in the womens locker room
Anonymous wrote:I think not allowing gays is wrong but I can understand the transgender part. Personally I wouldn't mind a transgendered person in the locker room (had it happen recently...or so I thought. She made a call and definitely had a woman's voice, but genuinely looked like a man dressed as a woman) however not everyone is comfortably with that not should everyone be forced to be comfortable with that.


Ummm you aren't even sure if the person was trans. Should we limit people who are over 5'11 just in case they are men? The spa owners in this case didn't know for sure, either, they just judged on the woman's muscular build. My 6'1" cisgendered sister who captains her college's rowing team would be thrown out under your rules, get real.