Anonymous
Post 03/01/2013 19:55     Subject: Re:Come on, tell the truth...AAP related
Anonymous wrote:Absolutely agree. Giftedness is really rare.


Ruf Estimates™ of Levels of Gifted Assessment:

http://www.talentigniter.com/ruf-estimates

http://www.nagc.org/uploadedfiles/php/php_articles...ted%20or%20highly%20gifted.pdf

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7286330-5-levels-of-gifted

Level Three (IQ 130-140): There are one or two Level Three children in every 100 in the average school. They are rarely in the same elementary class and can feel very, very lonely.
Level Four (IQ 135-141+): There are about one per 200 children in the average school. Without special arrangements, they can feel very different from their typical classmates.
Level Five (IQ 141+): We know they occur more often than once in a million, and we know regular grade school does not work for them.
Anonymous
Post 03/01/2013 19:46     Subject: Re:Come on, tell the truth...AAP related
Anonymous wrote:AAP is so watered down it is a joke. Most of the kids in AAp don't belong. As a FCPS teacher I have experienced about four gifted kids in the last ten years. They truly stand out and are rare. Now any parent who pushes can get their average child into AAP. And most of them are AVERAGE! Yes you all think your son or daughter is brilliant. Well, they are not. And continually praising their brilliance is just setting them up for greater failure as many of them believe that they don't need to do anything as mom and dad have constantly told them how bright they are.....


Absolutely agree. Giftedness is really rare. Advanced is not...advanced kids are a dime a dozen here....but the parents who post on here think their kids are truly unique.
Anonymous
Post 03/01/2013 19:13     Subject: Come on, tell the truth...AAP related
PP, I think you are probably exaggerating about 4 in the past 10 years, but I agree with your sentiment. I have a child in AAP and I think the school constantly telling her how smart she is will not be good for her in the end.

BTW, I don't think my child is "gifted" but she does have some very distinct strengths.
Anonymous
Post 03/01/2013 18:52     Subject: Re:Come on, tell the truth...AAP related
AAP is so watered down it is a joke. Most of the kids in AAp don't belong. As a FCPS teacher I have experienced about four gifted kids in the last ten years. They truly stand out and are rare. Now any parent who pushes can get their average child into AAP. And most of them are AVERAGE! Yes you all think your son or daughter is brilliant. Well, they are not. And continually praising their brilliance is just setting them up for greater failure as many of them believe that they don't need to do anything as mom and dad have constantly told them how bright they are.....
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2013 18:43     Subject: Re:Come on, tell the truth...AAP related
Anonymous wrote:
What's the point of the question? With all the digs at AAP on this site, I tend to suspect that this is an attempt to stir the pot and set up yet another "let's bash AAP and those pushy parents" discussion.


Nope. No pot stirring going on here. None at all.

AAP class percentages as contrasted to Global Warming? -- Err, Ok. I'll give the PP a +1000.


Thank you, thank you very much.
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2013 18:30     Subject: Re:Come on, tell the truth...AAP related
Anonymous wrote:Hmmm... so, if we have 15 kids per high school grade in AAP -- that's about what? 5 kids per middle school grade? And thus about 1 kid from each elementary school, eh?

Yeah, that would be a great program. Critical mass? Not.


Thank you for accurately representing the proposal. Accuracy like this really helps further the discussion.
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2013 18:29     Subject: Re:Come on, tell the truth...AAP related
What's the point of the question? With all the digs at AAP on this site, I tend to suspect that this is an attempt to stir the pot and set up yet another "let's bash AAP and those pushy parents" discussion.


Nope. No pot stirring going on here. None at all.

AAP class percentages as contrasted to Global Warming? -- Err, Ok. I'll give the PP a +1000.
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2013 16:32     Subject: Re:Come on, tell the truth...AAP related
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:When I was in highschool years and years ago, there were 10-15 kids in the entire senior class who were part of a "gifted" program. A tiny tiny sliver of the whole class.

Now we have a massive percentage of the class in the "advanced" group. Something just seems wrong.


Why is the "tiny sliver" way correct, and the current percentage "wrong"?


Yes. There is no Global warming---look at all of the snowflakes we have today compared to yesteryear .


+1


Hmmm... so, if we have 15 kids per high school grade in AAP -- that's about what? 5 kids per middle school grade? And thus about 1 kid from each elementary school, eh?

Yeah, that would be a great program. Critical mass? Not.
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2013 16:20     Subject: Re:Come on, tell the truth...AAP related
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:When I was in highschool years and years ago, there were 10-15 kids in the entire senior class who were part of a "gifted" program. A tiny tiny sliver of the whole class.

Now we have a massive percentage of the class in the "advanced" group. Something just seems wrong.


Why is the "tiny sliver" way correct, and the current percentage "wrong"?


Yes. There is no Global warming---look at all of the snowflakes we have today compared to yesteryear .


+1
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2013 15:01     Subject: Re:Come on, tell the truth...AAP related
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:When I was in highschool years and years ago, there were 10-15 kids in the entire senior class who were part of a "gifted" program. A tiny tiny sliver of the whole class.

Now we have a massive percentage of the class in the "advanced" group. Something just seems wrong.


Why is the "tiny sliver" way correct, and the current percentage "wrong"?


Yes. There is no Global warming---look at all of the snowflakes we have today compared to yesteryear .
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2013 14:45     Subject: Re:Come on, tell the truth...AAP related
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I'm not naive enough to think centers will go away anytime soon, but I just wonder if the benefits to the few outweigh the drawbacks.


This is the "Local Level IV at every elementary school and a new Level V AAP Center for the top 6% of students" argument.



What's wrong with it? I think it's a good one.


It's an opinion. I am sure this opinion will be raised at tonight's School Board work session as well. It doesn't it make it the only, or even "correct," opinion.
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2013 14:35     Subject: Re:Come on, tell the truth...AAP related
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I'm not naive enough to think centers will go away anytime soon, but I just wonder if the benefits to the few outweigh the drawbacks.


This is the "Local Level IV at every elementary school and a new Level V AAP Center for the top 6% of students" argument.



What's wrong with it? I think it's a good one.
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2013 14:29     Subject: Re:Come on, tell the truth...AAP related
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:When I was in highschool years and years ago, there were 10-15 kids in the entire senior class who were part of a "gifted" program. A tiny tiny sliver of the whole class.

Now we have a massive percentage of the class in the "advanced" group. Something just seems wrong.


Why is the "tiny sliver" way correct, and the current percentage "wrong"?


Because they have watered down the program. Back then there was no prepping to get in. There weren't appeals to the process.
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2013 13:49     Subject: Re:Come on, tell the truth...AAP related
Anonymous wrote:When I was in highschool years and years ago, there were 10-15 kids in the entire senior class who were part of a "gifted" program. A tiny tiny sliver of the whole class.

Now we have a massive percentage of the class in the "advanced" group. Something just seems wrong.


Why is the "tiny sliver" way correct, and the current percentage "wrong"?
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2013 12:41     Subject: Re:Come on, tell the truth...AAP related
When I was in highschool years and years ago, there were 10-15 kids in the entire senior class who were part of a "gifted" program. A tiny tiny sliver of the whole class.

Now we have a massive percentage of the class in the "advanced" group. Something just seems wrong.