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Anonymous

01/31/2013 20:47 Subject: Re:2nd Grade Cognat (custom) Scores - were you surprised by them?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems that there were a lot of surprises of lower CogAT scores vs. high NNAT scores last year. How about the opposite? Has anyone been surprised by a high CogAT score vs. a lower NNAT score last year? I am trying to figure out what happened with the CogAT scores this year...

Great question. I'm the originator of this forum.

My kid's scores:
NNAT - 129
CogAT (custom) - 84 VQN with only a 63 on verbal. This kid has been reading since before K and has a super high vocabulary. I am totally surprised. I know a neighbor kid who could barely read last year (when he was a 2nd grader) and he scored an "87" Verbal (low)....and yet my kid gets only a 63? It just can't be right.

Reading ability doesn't impact CogAt. Reading ability and intelligence are not neccessarily correlated. My son has always scored well below age for reading and will probably never read fluently,yet he scored a 133 on the CogAt when he was in 2nd grade (when it was based on the national test).

Anonymous

01/31/2013 20:36 Subject: Re:2nd Grade Cognat (custom) Scores - were you surprised by them?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems that there were a lot of surprises of lower CogAT scores vs. high NNAT scores last year. How about the opposite? Has anyone been surprised by a high CogAT score vs. a lower NNAT score last year? I am trying to figure out what happened with the CogAT scores this year...

Great question. I'm the originator of this forum.

My kid's scores:
NNAT - 129
CogAT (custom) - 84 VQN with only a 63 on verbal. This kid has been reading since before K and has a super high vocabulary. I am totally surprised. I know a neighbor kid who could barely read last year (when he was a 2nd grader) and he scored an "87" Verbal (low)....and yet my kid gets only a 63? It just can't be right.

Wow. I would call to set up a WISC assessment.

Anonymous

01/31/2013 20:33 Subject: 2nd Grade Cognat (custom) Scores - were you surprised by them?

Anonymous wrote:How can you say. The CogAT letter provides nothing; not even student ID, it only provides the percentile.

And, my report says testing date of 10-12-12 but he was supposed to be tested on 10/16, 10/18 & 10/19. The week after his recorded "test date".

Anonymous

01/31/2013 20:24 Subject: Re:2nd Grade Cognat (custom) Scores - were you surprised by them?

Anonymous wrote:
You can get a WISC if you like but keep in mind these scores are in relationship to FCPS students only. On nationwide tests your kids are being compared to students in AL, TX, and other states where standards are incredibly low and kids are a year or two behind what's happening here and places like Connecticut and Mass, etc. Just something to consider.

Last year kids had Cogat subscores in the 130's and that was considered 99th percentile. But scores in the 140's and 150's were 99th percentile too. Now with the new way of reading the test the 130's kids are in the high 80's and low 90's, percentile wise, and the really high ability kids get to stand alone in the 98-99th percentile rank. It separates the group fairly but for some it will be a harsh reality.

I heard from a friend whose kid was 2nd grader last year -- he received a composite score CogAt of 132 which was 96th percentile. Not 99th percentile as you suggested. Thanks for your input.

Oops. I messed up the original poster's quoted comments. My comment was only about my friend's kid who received 132 Composite - which was 96th percentile (last school year - 2011-12).

Anonymous

01/31/2013 20:24 Subject: 2nd Grade Cognat (custom) Scores - were you surprised by them?

Wise one, let's just get the real numbers; fcps has them, so why hide them! I have an appt with cluster office in March and will ask for my kids real numbers, as I am entitled to such by law.

Anonymous

01/31/2013 20:23 Subject: 2nd Grade Cognat (custom) Scores - were you surprised by them?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was able to come up with a pretty good estimate that indicates this years 95 percentile would equal the old score of 134. I was able to base this on the average SAT score in fairfax county being 1120 compared to the average nationwide score of 1010.
It looks like they tightened up the automatic in pool a bit from last year and giving the test to only fairfax county kids was the way they did it without saying it.
Ill go into more detail later.

Who are you that is so wise in the ways of science?

I am Arthur, King of the Britons.

Anonymous

01/31/2013 20:12 Subject: 2nd Grade Cognat (custom) Scores - were you surprised by them?

Anonymous wrote:I was able to come up with a pretty good estimate that indicates this years 95 percentile would equal the old score of 134. I was able to base this on the average SAT score in fairfax county being 1120 compared to the average nationwide score of 1010.
It looks like they tightened up the automatic in pool a bit from last year and giving the test to only fairfax county kids was the way they did it without saying it.
Ill go into more detail later.

Who are you that is so wise in the ways of science?

Anonymous

01/31/2013 20:11 Subject: 2nd Grade Cognat (custom) Scores - were you surprised by them?

Not surprised.

Anonymous

01/31/2013 20:11 Subject: 2nd Grade Cognat (custom) Scores - were you surprised by them?

I was able to come up with a pretty good estimate that indicates this years 95 percentile would equal the old score of 134. I was able to base this on the average SAT score in fairfax county being 1120 compared to the average nationwide score of 1010.
It looks like they tightened up the automatic in pool a bit from last year and giving the test to only fairfax county kids was the way they did it without saying it.
Ill go into more detail later.

Anonymous

01/31/2013 20:10 Subject: Re:2nd Grade Cognat (custom) Scores - were you surprised by them?

You can get a WISC if you like but keep in mind these scores are in relationship to FCPS students only. On nationwide tests your kids are being compared to students in AL, TX, and other states where standards are incredibly low and kids are a year or two behind what's happening here and places like Connecticut and Mass, etc. Just something to consider.

Last year kids had Cogat subscores in the 130's and that was considered 99th percentile. But scores in the 140's and 150's were 99th percentile too. Now with the new way of reading the test the 130's kids are in the high 80's and low 90's, percentile wise, and the really high ability kids get to stand alone in the 98-99th percentile rank. It separates the group fairly but for some it will be a harsh reality.

I heard from a friend whose kid was 2nd grader last year -- he received a composite score CogAt of 132 which was 96th percentile. Not 99th percentile as you suggested. Thanks for your input.