I'm confused. Our child attends Providence Elem. Willow Springs is listed as the center for our pyramid (Fairfax HS) - but currently center eligible students go to Mosby Woods. It looks like they are trying to help the crowding there with new centers for the Oakton area? What does this mean for Providence students?

Anonymous wrote:You don't make a center where only Navy kids would go there. Isn't that called local level iv? Navy and Crossfields both have declining enrollments forecast over the next 5 years (according to the dashboard info on the fcps website). I think that's why both are potential centers. If they add the center grade by grade, 3rd grade the first year, then 3rd and 4th the next then maybe the capacity works this way. Unless you maybe have heard something different.

Anything is possible. The proposal is subject to change and new information will likely be available next week at the cluster meetings.

Anonymous wrote:32-34 is not at capacity for aap.

"At capacity" for AAP is the same as general ed.

You don't make a center where only Navy kids would go there. Isn't that called local level iv? Navy and Crossfields both have declining enrollments forecast over the next 5 years (according to the dashboard info on the fcps website). I think that's why both are potential centers. If they add the center grade by grade, 3rd grade the first year, then 3rd and 4th the next then maybe the capacity works this way. Unless you maybe have heard something different.

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Anonymous wrote:A question. My DS is in 5th grade at Crossfield. He is in the LLIV class there, but is center eligible. We chose to leave him at the school he has attended since K, as opposed to moving him. If Crossfield becomes a Center, as proposed, would they still have a LLIV class, or would the two merge? Would this open a can of worms of more children, who are Center eligible, but had previously chosen to attend LLIV, and therefore were not considered in the Center numbers?

Actually, the one thing I have not loved about LLIV is being with the same.exact.group. every year, which is not always ideal, when you want a little social variety, so I would welcome the opportunity for things to be changed up.

Only guessing here as nothing is really known, but I would guess the Local Level IV option would go away for Crossfield. They would not "merge" because the Center has its own placement criteria (AAP Center-eligibility as determined by Central Office) and the Center-eligible students from Fox Mill would join the AAP Center class(es). Since there are currently 22 Center-eligible-and-Center-enrolled students in 5th grade from Crossfield and 15 Center-eligible-and-Center-enrolled students from Fox Mill, there should be two full classes of then-6th-graders in the new Crossfield AAP Center. Now if a few of the students move away (?) then the principal may opt to go with a single AAP Center class of roughly 32 (or so) students.

Of course this depends on what happens with the proposal recommendation.

(You are not alone on your "I wish there were at least two classes to mix things up" point either.)

I am the PP quoted above, this does make sense. And ultimately, for 6th, DS will stay in AAP regardless as he is Center eligible. I guess my question is, I am almost certain that that if you add the Center Eligible 5th graders from Crossfield who are currently in the LLIV class at Crossfield like my DS to the 22 at the Hunters Woods Center from Crossfield, that number will easily double (I would guess the # center eligible in DS's class to be pretty high, and it is a class of 28 or 29).

32-34 is not at capacity for aap.

Anonymous wrote:Crossfield goes to Carson MS not Franklin. But Navy does go to Franklin, and then to Oakton. The majority of Franklin goes to Chantilly. What I don't understand is this: if navy has 32 or 34 kids in center based AAP 3rd grade this year, that is too much for one class and too few for two. Will another elementary school go to the navy AAP center? Also, navy is currently at capacity, and cannot take on another 200 kids...

The proposal has Navy as its own Center. No other school would feed to Navy. As far as the 32 or 34 kids, the principal may opt for a split grade class (3rd and 4th grades combined).

Crossfield goes to Carson MS not Franklin. But Navy does go to Franklin, and then to Oakton. The majority of Franklin goes to Chantilly. What I don't understand is this: if navy has 32 or 34 kids in center based AAP 3rd grade this year, that is too much for one class and too few for two. Will another elementary school go to the navy AAP center? Also, navy is currently at capacity, and cannot take on another 200 kids...

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where do you find out how many students leave their base school to enroll at the center school?

From the school principal.

There is old information (from July 2009) posted on BoardDocs.

Link:

http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/legacy-content/86789J2271B7/$FILE/AttachmentA.pdf

Thank you!

The Waples Mill to Mosby Woods is absurd, mainly because so many of Waples Mill kids are then pulled all the way to Franklin Middle in Herndon, where they will be separated from all the Oakton/Mosby Woods kids anyway, and placed with the Navy/ Crossfield kids. Then they would be pulled back for Oakton HS. This whole thing is ridiculous, and it certainly doesn't solve the problem of keeping kids in their own pyramids. Ugh!

Anonymous wrote:When will these changes go into effect?

FCPS staff have recommended that these changes to go into effect in the next school year (Fall 2013). The FCPS news release:

http://commweb.fcps.edu/newsreleases/newsrelease.cfm?newsid=2116

states the community meetings are "to gather public input about the timing of expanding advanced academic services to all pyramids within FCPS".

This could be read as "This Is A Done Deal And We Want To Know When You Want This Done To You" versus any type of "discussion" as to whether this is a good idea in the first place.


Note the next to last paragraph of the "implementation plan":

http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/centers/reorg/index.shtml


If any of these new centers are to be in place in September 2013, then a School Board decision must be made by January 2013 so the schools can make the appropriate arrangements for training teachers and notifying students and parents. For this reason, FCPS staff will present their initial recommendations for establishing new elementary and middle school AAP Centers to the School Board in the next few weeks, with a School Board work session on these issues tentatively scheduled for December 10. Although the time line for action is ambitious, FCPS has always provided for public input when establishing new AAP Centers, and will continue to provide an opportunity for parents and members of the community to engage in this process.

When will these changes go into effect?

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Anonymous wrote:I must have been typing while PP posted, thanks for the proposed list. I don't understand cluster 8, I thought mosby woods was losing their fairfax HS and madison HS pyramid kids? If so, what schools are thr 271 from?

Crossfield (118) and Fox Mill (70) go to Crossfield, Navy (171) has its own Center, and Mosby Woods (92), Oakton (15) and Waples Mill (164) go to Mosby Woods.

See the AAP Enrollment by Center and Feeder School document for those specifics:
http://www.fcag.org/documents/level_iv_task_force_recs/aap_enr_by_ctr_fdr.pdf

This information is not entirely correct. Navy does not have a center. The Oakton pyramid has the most center eligible children of any pyramid, 630 kids. But only 1 center - Mosby Woods. The 171 from Navy, 164 from Waples Mill and 118 from Crossfield all go to Hunters Woods.

In the proposed recommendation, Navy WILL have a center. That is the question I was answering. Yes, this is correct as of the September version of the Task Force recommendation. This is obviously subject to change.

Please see link:

http://www.fcag.org/documents/level_iv_task_force_recs/level_iv_ctr_enr_clu.pdf

Scroll down to Page 3 underneath Cluster 8. You should see Oakton HS with three centers listed.

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Anonymous wrote:I must have been typing while PP posted, thanks for the proposed list. I don't understand cluster 8, I thought mosby woods was losing their fairfax HS and madison HS pyramid kids? If so, what schools are thr 271 from?

Crossfield (118) and Fox Mill (70) go to Crossfield, Navy (171) has its own Center, and Mosby Woods (92), Oakton (15) and Waples Mill (164) go to Mosby Woods.

See the AAP Enrollment by Center and Feeder School document for those specifics:
http://www.fcag.org/documents/level_iv_task_force_recs/aap_enr_by_ctr_fdr.pdf

This information is not entirely correct. Navy does not have a center. The Oakton pyramid has the most center eligible children of any pyramid, 630 kids. But only 1 center - Mosby Woods. The 171 from Navy, 164 from Waples Mill and 118 from Crossfield all go to Hunters Woods.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where do you find out how many students leave their base school to enroll at the center school?

From the school principal.

There is old information (from July 2009) posted on BoardDocs.

Link:

http://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/legacy-content/86789J2271B7/$FILE/AttachmentA.pdf