This is one of the dumbest threads I have ever seen on DCUM, and that's saying a lot.

I think most of the people doing the demanding are spending more time and money in the effort than they spend on birth control. Hence the obvious conclusion, that they are doing it for those who cannot afford either the birth control or the time or money to lobby for it.

13:08, please don't call that poster "dramatic" when there are anti-choicers all over the other abortion issue threads here screaming about tearing 28-week fetuses limb from limb. They're the ones who are dramatic. And they do call it murder.

Feminism succeeded to the extent it did because of birth control. Women learned that they could control when they would be pregnant, allowing them to delay families, allowing them to get educations, allowing them sexual power.

Giving inexpensive or free access to birth control to poorer woman allows them to feel the positive effects of feminism too.

To Ms. Big Girl Panties above, you missed the point of women's liberation. This is a Women's Liberation issue more than pure Feminism.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I am not against abortion, but good grief women take control and responsibility for your sexuality and reproduction--expecting free birth control=the death of feminism.


Are you saying that you are more concerned about the death of feminism than the death of babies???? Who the fuck cares, if this is murder like you say, how can you pass up a voluntary, nonviolent way to prevent them?

What, too expensive? Or is your real agenda to use pregnancy as a sex deterrent?

Do you even read what is written before you start spouting off?

Those of you who actually grew up fighting for equality for women do not want to be treated like children. We fought for equal rights not special rights. We fought for reproductive freedom not free birth control. You women call for special services and/or free services are not feminists and you set all women back 40 years. Take charge of your own lives and then you can call your self a feminist and a mature women.

People like you do a great disservice to society. You don't want equality in terms of being respected as a human being. What you want is to be treated exactly like a man. Anything that hints at men and women being different sends you into a frenzy. How sad. Men and women are different- get over it. That doesn't mean that one is superior to the other. Learn to appreciate femininity and stop seeing it as being second class. You are the one setting women back and making them miserable with this myth that women and men are the same, and should behave as such. My comments have very little to do with the birth control issue, but a lot to do with the mentality of people like you.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I am not against abortion, but good grief women take control and responsibility for your sexuality and reproduction--expecting free birth control=the death of feminism.


Are you saying that you are more concerned about the death of feminism than the death of babies???? Who the fuck cares, if this is murder like you say, how can you pass up a voluntary, nonviolent way to prevent them?

What, too expensive? Or is your real agenda to use pregnancy as a sex deterrent?

Do you even read what is written before you start spouting off?

Those of you who actually grew up fighting for equality for women do not want to be treated like children. We fought for equal rights not special rights. We fought for reproductive freedom not free birth control. You women call for special services and/or free services are not feminists and you set all women back 40 years. Take charge of your own lives and then you can call your self a feminist and a mature women.

You are quite dramatic.

Also, the feminist poster or posters are the reasons people often dismiss feminine as for rich, privileged women.

Anonymous wrote:Riddle me this. Why would Republicans who also happen to be business owners, who are against the Family Medical Leave Act, be against contraceptives? With contraception, their employees can avoid unwanted pregnancies and not have to I interrupt their work and operations of their employers' business?

Their ideal scenario is to have women completely out of the workforce. That is their solution to high unemployment.

The poster or posters talking about how access to birth control is anti-feminist is/are full of shit. Feminists want to be treated the same as men, and they deserve access to healthcare, same as men. Birth control is a medication or treatment, and just because only women need that medication or treatment is not a reason to not have access to it, just as every other man and woman should have access to the healthcare they need.

Also, people are conflating the free birth control provided to participants in the study, with birth control that participants in health insurance plans will have access to as part of that healthcare plan that they and their employer pay for.

Anonymous



Feminists fought for equality not to be treated as helpless victims of our sexuality who need someone to take charge of our sexuality and pay for our birth control. It is precisely the mindset applauding the subsidizing of our lives that will keep women from being seen as equals.

Bravo. You cannot expect to be treated as equals in the workplace if you demand to be treated like helpless victims of biology in the bedroom. Put your big girl panties on and buy your own birth control. Take charge. Don't take handouts.

Feminists fought for equality not to be treated as helpless victims of our sexuality who need someone to take charge of our sexuality and pay for our birth control. It is precisely the mindset applauding the subsidizing of our lives that will keep women from being seen as equals.

I'm not sure how improving the lives of women through wider access to birth control is anti-feminist or setting the clock back. It seems like allowing all women to control their fertility regardless of income would allow more women to complete education and have more productive lives. Also given the environment implications, a smaller population is better for the world in general.

Riddle me this. Why would Republicans who also happen to be business owners, who are against the Family Medical Leave Act, be against contraceptives? With contraception, their employees can avoid unwanted pregnancies and not have to I interrupt their work and operations of their employers' business?

Anonymous wrote:

I'm pro-life...and I'm extremely pro-contraception.


I'm pro-choice and want to reduce the # of abortions.

Lets work together to expand access to contraceptives, rather than yelling at each other outside clinics!

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YAY!! Agreed. Let's get this going rather than the other vitriol that has already infected this thread.

I have not read the study or the link, but I did hear it reported on the radio this morning that the most successful of the birth control - maybe the one most chosen - was the more expensive, but long term contraception, like the implants. That ain't $9/month at Target.

And $9/month is still $108/year, which is not cheap when you are poor.