Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Unsurprisingly, you've missed the point. I can't get "real" Americans to do the job well and/or for any longer than six months. Usually closer to two months. The statement that "Americans who NEED work will do it" is incorrect. They will apply, sure. But they will NOT do it to the same standard as immigrants. They will bail at the first hint of a better job or when they're tired or hungover, or they'll just half-ass it until we're all fed up and send them packing.

So unless you're a Job Creator like me, with the experience I have in low-wage low-skill employment, shut it.

You do not sound like a nice man. If the pay is peanuts, you get monkeys. American workers will want a living wage, nice working onditions. And their rights
You want to provide minimum hourly wage and submissive humble workers

Sure, everyone wants something. American consumers want a competitive price for the goods and services I, Job Creator, provide. If I can't offer it for a price similar to what my giant corporate competition is charging, my customers will go elsewhere, and my 20 employees and I will be on the dole.

But, we have IMMIGRANTS.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So, only businesses that can afford to pay "living wages" should be allowed to operate and hire employees? I love how the mind-set is that small businesses need to create jobs, but the business owners are expected to pay more than they can afford to create those jobs. In some cases, if the business owners pay those living wages, their own take home pay will drop below a living wage. This type of mind set is why suburbanites live in a land of large corporate chain stores.

We understand each other
Do the work yourself if you cannot afford to pay a salary
Nannies and butlers and garddeners are a luxury. The jobs you are thinking of providing will not get anyone out of povery, they will be the working poor who subsist on section 8 housing and food stamps and qualify for medicaid.
You are expecting their salaries to be subsidised by the tax man, and want to pocket the differnce.
If your profits were really so low, you should not be in business in the first place

Excuse me? We're a capitalist state, not a communist state. Businesses are in business to make money, whether that is measured in the thousands or millions of dollars. A small home business that a person runs on the side is as legitimate a business as Walmart. If I can find someone who wants to come to my home and work for $5/hr helping do things like answer e-mail, put products into boxes and drive them to the post office, then it should be fine. It's a relationship between the employee and employer. Sometimes you can make a job worthwhile in other ways than just wages. I know some people who would rather have a flexible 20-30 hours when they can choose when to come in and work and would take less money to have that option. Why you think your values should determine whether my employee is satisfied with the salary offered is beyond me. My employee can opt to go work for minimum wage somewhere with defined hours where she loses her flexibility that may cause her family significant problems or she can make enough money to augment the family budget at hours where she can work. Note: I don't have a home business, but I know people who work situations like this. I have a friend who does part-time website management for a small business. He works from home on this woman's home business web-site. He can work any hours he wants including sometimes midnight to 4:00AM. He loves it and takes a lower wage in order to be able to work whatever 20 hours/week he wants. She emails him what should go up on the web-site and he implements it. Yes, he makes much less than he could make in an office, but he loves the fact that he can work from home, that he does not have to be at work at a given hour every morning (one of the reasons he was laid off was because of repeated tardiness). Why should you be the arbiter of whether he has this opportunity or not.

You are clearly anti-small business. Go back to your corporate job and let the grass roots businesses actually find the ways to make their businesses survive. You are the reason that the country is turning into one huge strip mall with every city in the country looking exactly identical and why large chains are driving small businesses out of business.

Keep the Mexicans. Deport ows , lazy welfare queens, NEA members, government union members

Anonymous wrote:

So, only businesses that can afford to pay "living wages" should be allowed to operate and hire employees? I love how the mind-set is that small businesses need to create jobs, but the business owners are expected to pay more than they can afford to create those jobs. In some cases, if the business owners pay those living wages, their own take home pay will drop below a living wage. This type of mind set is why suburbanites live in a land of large corporate chain stores.

We understand each other
Do the work yourself if you cannot afford to pay a salary
Nannies and butlers and garddeners are a luxury. The jobs you are thinking of providing will not get anyone out of povery, they will be the working poor who subsist on section 8 housing and food stamps and qualify for medicaid.
You are expecting their salaries to be subsidised by the tax man, and want to pocket the differnce.
If your profits were really so low, you should not be in business in the first place

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Unsurprisingly, you've missed the point. I can't get "real" Americans to do the job well and/or for any longer than six months. Usually closer to two months. The statement that "Americans who NEED work will do it" is incorrect. They will apply, sure. But they will NOT do it to the same standard as immigrants. They will bail at the first hint of a better job or when they're tired or hungover, or they'll just half-ass it until we're all fed up and send them packing.

So unless you're a Job Creator like me, with the experience I have in low-wage low-skill employment, shut it.

You do not sound like a nice man. If the pay is peanuts, you get monkeys. American workers will want a living wage, nice working onditions. And their rights
You want to provide minimum hourly wage and submissive humble workers

So, only businesses that can afford to pay "living wages" should be allowed to operate and hire employees? I love how the mind-set is that small businesses need to create jobs, but the business owners are expected to pay more than they can afford to create those jobs. In some cases, if the business owners pay those living wages, their own take home pay will drop below a living wage. This type of mind set is why suburbanites live in a land of large corporate chain stores.

It is actually a direct requirement of all Catholics that they pay a living wage. It's in the catechism. This is not such an unusual requirement, even for conservatives.

And why should Catholicism set the standards for what Americans pay? Catholics are only a small portion of the population. And one would think that in a state that proposes to have freedom of religion that non-Catholics should not have to be bound by Catholic requirements. Catholics are of course welcome to pay what wages their religion dictates, but it is irrelevant to the discussion in general.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Unsurprisingly, you've missed the point. I can't get "real" Americans to do the job well and/or for any longer than six months. Usually closer to two months. The statement that "Americans who NEED work will do it" is incorrect. They will apply, sure. But they will NOT do it to the same standard as immigrants. They will bail at the first hint of a better job or when they're tired or hungover, or they'll just half-ass it until we're all fed up and send them packing.

So unless you're a Job Creator like me, with the experience I have in low-wage low-skill employment, shut it.

You do not sound like a nice man. If the pay is peanuts, you get monkeys. American workers will want a living wage, nice working onditions. And their rights
You want to provide minimum hourly wage and submissive humble workers

So, only businesses that can afford to pay "living wages" should be allowed to operate and hire employees? I love how the mind-set is that small businesses need to create jobs, but the business owners are expected to pay more than they can afford to create those jobs. In some cases, if the business owners pay those living wages, their own take home pay will drop below a living wage. This type of mind set is why suburbanites live in a land of large corporate chain stores.

It is actually a direct requirement of all Catholics that they pay a living wage. It's in the catechism. This is not such an unusual requirement, even for conservatives.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Unsurprisingly, you've missed the point. I can't get "real" Americans to do the job well and/or for any longer than six months. Usually closer to two months. The statement that "Americans who NEED work will do it" is incorrect. They will apply, sure. But they will NOT do it to the same standard as immigrants. They will bail at the first hint of a better job or when they're tired or hungover, or they'll just half-ass it until we're all fed up and send them packing.

So unless you're a Job Creator like me, with the experience I have in low-wage low-skill employment, shut it.

You do not sound like a nice man. If the pay is peanuts, you get monkeys. American workers will want a living wage, nice working onditions. And their rights
You want to provide minimum hourly wage and submissive humble workers

So, only businesses that can afford to pay "living wages" should be allowed to operate and hire employees? I love how the mind-set is that small businesses need to create jobs, but the business owners are expected to pay more than they can afford to create those jobs. In some cases, if the business owners pay those living wages, their own take home pay will drop below a living wage. This type of mind set is why suburbanites live in a land of large corporate chain stores.

Anonymous wrote:
Unsurprisingly, you've missed the point. I can't get "real" Americans to do the job well and/or for any longer than six months. Usually closer to two months. The statement that "Americans who NEED work will do it" is incorrect. They will apply, sure. But they will NOT do it to the same standard as immigrants. They will bail at the first hint of a better job or when they're tired or hungover, or they'll just half-ass it until we're all fed up and send them packing.

So unless you're a Job Creator like me, with the experience I have in low-wage low-skill employment, shut it.

You do not sound like a nice man. If the pay is peanuts, you get monkeys. American workers will want a living wage, nice working onditions. And their rights
You want to provide minimum hourly wage and submissive humble workers

I think that any job that can't be filled in 90 days should be open to an undocumented worker, who can then get a guest worker status.

They aren't committing crimes. They need help for their families. Likewise, please leave your doors unlocked so that these hardworking people can trespass onto your property and take what is yours. They can't help the situation of their birth. It is only right that you allow it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I own a small business with a service component. In the time I've been doing this, I've had many employees come and go. The ones I've had to fire for bad attitude, laziness, absenteeism etc have all been "real" Americans. The handful of employees who started with me when I opened the business, and are still with me, the backbone of my staff, are EVERY ONE OF THEM an immigrant. My non-native-born employees are committed, pleasant and hard-working. All my American-born employees, even the ones who are really good, are waiting for something better to come along. The turnover rate is very high among them.

If your "non-native-born" employees are here legally, wonderful. More power to you and them. If they are here illegally and you're contributing to this massive problem we have, I hope your business crashes.

Unsurprisingly, you've missed the point. I can't get "real" Americans to do the job well and/or for any longer than six months. Usually closer to two months. The statement that "Americans who NEED work will do it" is incorrect. They will apply, sure. But they will NOT do it to the same standard as immigrants. They will bail at the first hint of a better job or when they're tired or hungover, or they'll just half-ass it until we're all fed up and send them packing.

So unless you're a Job Creator like me, with the experience I have in low-wage low-skill employment, shut it.

But who is an american? What is the definition?
Last time I read history books it said the land is as old as time itself, the english language (which is spoken incorrectly) does not even have deep roots

Headhunter here - hi tech component design, mfg. and sales & marketing. (1982 -2012 retired in July).
For the past 8-10 years the bulk of revenue has come from Asia. Placing Americans there or assembling sales marketing & support organizations here and in Euro zone. Not a single assignment from a U S client for a position located in US.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I own a small business with a service component. In the time I've been doing this, I've had many employees come and go. The ones I've had to fire for bad attitude, laziness, absenteeism etc have all been "real" Americans. The handful of employees who started with me when I opened the business, and are still with me, the backbone of my staff, are EVERY ONE OF THEM an immigrant. My non-native-born employees are committed, pleasant and hard-working. All my American-born employees, even the ones who are really good, are waiting for something better to come along. The turnover rate is very high among them.

If your "non-native-born" employees are here legally, wonderful. More power to you and them. If they are here illegally and you're contributing to this massive problem we have, I hope your business crashes.

But not until after you come and fix my dishwasher.