Anonymous
Post 09/15/2012 08:34     Subject: Turn AAP on its head
Anonymous wrote:PP: 90% of the business world is linear and procedural. However, the truly creative are not....Steve Jobs was not linear...Bill Gates, not linear.

In the science arena (where I play), I see a lot of linear thinkers who do not advance the state of the art. Revolution is not accomplished by linear thinking. Albert Einstein, Galileo, Newton, Darwin, all changed the world because they challenged the basic assumptions.

Ian Flemming discovered penicillin by accident. Thankfully, he realized the importance of his "failed" experiment.

I see the impact of linear thinking every day. It results in stove piped projects that are extremely inefficient. It results in Gov't inefficiencies, and trillion dollar budget deficits. And it results in the failure to recognize the patterns leading to 9-11.

It is a huge problem, and is not being addressed.


I don't disagree, but Apple and Microsoft are linear and procedural workplaces.

Contrary to popular opinion around DCUM, probably not one single one of our snowflakes is the next Jobs, Gates, Darwin, or Newton. (Actually, I'd argue that Darwin was, in fact, a linear thinker. Galileo too. They followed the logical results of their observations).
Anonymous
Post 09/15/2012 08:30     Subject: Turn AAP on its head
PP: 90% of the business world is linear and procedural. However, the truly creative are not....Steve Jobs was not linear...Bill Gates, not linear.

In the science arena (where I play), I see a lot of linear thinkers who do not advance the state of the art. Revolution is not accomplished by linear thinking. Albert Einstein, Galileo, Newton, Darwin, all changed the world because they challenged the basic assumptions.

Ian Flemming discovered penicillin by accident. Thankfully, he realized the importance of his "failed" experiment.

I see the impact of linear thinking every day. It results in stove piped projects that are extremely inefficient. It results in Gov't inefficiencies, and trillion dollar budget deficits. And it results in the failure to recognize the patterns leading to 9-11.

It is a huge problem, and is not being addressed.
Anonymous
Post 09/15/2012 08:15     Subject: Turn AAP on its head
Anonymous wrote:The real problem, from my perspective, is the educational system is dominated by linear thinkers who do things procedurally.



On the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, I see that the business world is linear and procedural, too, so if the goal is to prepare our children for the workforce...
Anonymous
Post 09/15/2012 07:15     Subject: Turn AAP on its head
The real problem, from my perspective, is the educational system is dominated by linear thinkers who do things procedurally.

Anonymous
Post 09/14/2012 23:11     Subject: Re:Turn AAP on its head
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What does "concentric" mean. Think about it. Don't use the internet, though. If I say the earth's layers are concentric, what does this mean.This is a great question for an in class quiz. This truly separates GT from avg, IMHO. Of course, there is a hint, the root word and the prefix. Even if your child doesn't know that, by simply looking at the picture of the earth's layers, one should be able to define the word. AAP has become the land of the pushy parents' club. Of course, I add myself into this category. However, mine had a score in the 150s and a 16 on the GBRS.


I don't see how this question separates the GT from the average. The bolded sentence that you stated explains why it doesn't, the non-GT kids are average not mentally disabled. They are taught since Kindy to look at pictures of stories and try to figure out what the story is about.

The main difference I see b/w AAP classes and gen. ed classes are that the gen. ed. classes are MISSING the critical thinking components that those in AAP classes have.

NO ONE should need to be in special classes to learn critical thinking SKILLS.


^^AGREE!!!!^^
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2012 19:49     Subject: Turn AAP on its head
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How would that help anyone, but parents who feel bad that their kids didn't get into AAP?

Kids who are advanced wouldn't be challenged in school. Kids who are on grade level would be left behind by the speed of the program, especially math. Kids who are behind grade level would be stigamized as going to the dumb school.

That is just a terrible terrible terrible idea.


How so? I said make the AAP curriculum standard. It seems like they're in the majority anyway, and the kids who are "left behind" are fewer and farther between. So, get rid of the tier system, make the smart kid program the standard, and sequester the remedial programs.

Don't give me the argument about stigmatize. That already exists. So, really, what you're trying to do is remove the illusion of exclusivity of AAP. Make it so that AAP is no longer a commodity.


I thought AAP was 20%...not the majority.


I think it's more, but even 20% strikes me as a statistical improbability that most of the 20 are really gifted. And therein lies the problem.


Yes, this /\/\/\/\/\
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2012 19:18     Subject: Re:Turn AAP on its head
Anonymous wrote:What does "concentric" mean. Think about it. Don't use the internet, though. If I say the earth's layers are concentric, what does this mean.This is a great question for an in class quiz. This truly separates GT from avg, IMHO. Of course, there is a hint, the root word and the prefix. Even if your child doesn't know that, by simply looking at the picture of the earth's layers, one should be able to define the word. AAP has become the land of the pushy parents' club. Of course, I add myself into this category. However, mine had a score in the 150s and a 16 on the GBRS.


I don't see how this question separates the GT from the average. The bolded sentence that you stated explains why it doesn't, the non-GT kids are average not mentally disabled. They are taught since Kindy to look at pictures of stories and try to figure out what the story is about.

The main difference I see b/w AAP classes and gen. ed classes are that the gen. ed. classes are MISSING the critical thinking components that those in AAP classes have.

NO ONE should need to be in special classes to learn critical thinking SKILLS.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2012 18:57     Subject: Re:Turn AAP on its head
Anonymous wrote:and an assinine parent.


Is that deliberate, or do you not know how to spell?
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2012 18:36     Subject: Re:Turn AAP on its head
I wholeheartedly agree. However,the schools are trying to bridge the minority gap, not widen it. Raising the standards were certainly widen that gap even more.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2012 18:15     Subject: Turn AAP on its head
Raise the standards, most kids will rise to the occasion, if their parents stop pampering them. Drop this so called "intelligence" test score nonsense altogether, it is pigeonholing our kids from early age and dampening their intellectual growth and potential.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2012 16:50     Subject: Re:Turn AAP on its head
No, not as you suggest. Educated, yes.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2012 16:48     Subject: Re:Turn AAP on its head
and an assinine parent.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2012 16:44     Subject: Re:Turn AAP on its head
What does "concentric" mean. Think about it. Don't use the internet, though. If I say the earth's layers are concentric, what does this mean.This is a great question for an in class quiz. This truly separates GT from avg, IMHO. Of course, there is a hint, the root word and the prefix. Even if your child doesn't know that, by simply looking at the picture of the earth's layers, one should be able to define the word. AAP has become the land of the pushy parents' club. Of course, I add myself into this category. However, mine had a score in the 150s and a 16 on the GBRS.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2012 16:34     Subject: Turn AAP on its head
Same SOL different year
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2012 16:32     Subject: Re:Turn AAP on its head
Except in math, where AAP takes a year ahead (e.g. 5th takes 6th SOL)