Anonymous
Post 09/01/2012 11:24     Subject: Lyin' Ryan: Sub 3:00 Marathon
As a Veteran Marathon runner, in the age 70+ class. I have completed both NY and Boston, in sub 4:45 times. Let me assure you that anyone misrepresenting their finishing time is regarded as the lowest of the low. People who do that are regarded as cheating, low life, slime balls. There is a unwritten honor code amoung athletes and lying about your accomplishments is just about the worst of the worst. You'll never hear a runner round off their time, we're usually excruciatingly boring to listen to, we're exact, talking about our times to the tenth of a second.
Anonymous
Post 09/01/2012 10:42     Subject: Lyin' Ryan: Sub 3:00 Marathon
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have anything to say about the completely typical way in which Ryan refused to take responsibility for the lie, acting like shaving 25% off his only (not "best") time was just a little slip-up that his brother caught? His brother and the entire country. What a piece of work.

Sure, I'd say "typical politician-speak". (not defending it; just saying).
Anonymous
Post 09/01/2012 10:40     Subject: Lyin' Ryan: Sub 3:00 Marathon
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A few points:Governor Kasich used Biden's golf fibs to impeach the VP's honesty, so lying about sports is already on the table as a no-no.
Ryan's forte is budgeting, so number-fudging is a particularly important sin for him.OTOH, I think we should stop repeating the "even Fox News" line when it was a liberal guest columnist.

By that logic, a knowing, willful sports liar is VP. I'd say that makes Ryan's lie look more tactful. Taking a play from the dem's play book. Worked for Biden.


Whether Biden lied about golf is subject to interpretation. Here is Kasich's accusation:

"Joe Biden told me that he’s a good golfer and I can tell you that’s not true..."

This occurred after Kasich and Biden were teamed against Obama and Boehner and lost. Boehner said that Kasich was so nervous, "I thought John Kasich was going to cry."

I get my news from DCUM. So I'll take the bolded as Gospel. And by your quote, if Kaisich says Biden lied about being a good golfer, that's good enough for me.
Anonymous
Post 09/01/2012 10:21     Subject: Lyin' Ryan: Sub 3:00 Marathon
Does anyone have anything to say about the completely typical way in which Ryan refused to take responsibility for the lie, acting like shaving 25% off his only (not "best") time was just a little slip-up that his brother caught? His brother and the entire country. What a piece of work.
Anonymous
Post 09/01/2012 10:17     Subject: Re:Lyin' Ryan: Sub 3:00 Marathon
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Saying "sub 3" when you mean "sub 4" when it's actually 4.1 or whatever time, sounds more to me like a typical politician answer, especially when you're not a runner. But the Zepplin thing, I'm not quite ready to forgive that.


It's not typical for anyone who's run a marathon. It's the difference between running a 9:12/mile pace and a 6:30/mile pace. Trust me...you know the difference.

I understand the mathematical difference. My point, as I said, is that for a politician and non-runner, it's not at all surprising that he "mis-spoke."


If by this you mean "for a self-aggrandizing snake in the grass, it's no wonder he lied about this just like about everything else," then we are in agreement.
jsteele
Post 09/01/2012 09:48     Subject: Lyin' Ryan: Sub 3:00 Marathon
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A few points:Governor Kasich used Biden's golf fibs to impeach the VP's honesty, so lying about sports is already on the table as a no-no.
Ryan's forte is budgeting, so number-fudging is a particularly important sin for him.OTOH, I think we should stop repeating the "even Fox News" line when it was a liberal guest columnist.

By that logic, a knowing, willful sports liar is VP. I'd say that makes Ryan's lie look more tactful. Taking a play from the dem's play book. Worked for Biden.


Whether Biden lied about golf is subject to interpretation. Here is Kasich's accusation:

"Joe Biden told me that he’s a good golfer and I can tell you that’s not true..."

This occurred after Kasich and Biden were teamed against Obama and Boehner and lost. Boehner said that Kasich was so nervous, "I thought John Kasich was going to cry."

Anonymous
Post 09/01/2012 09:46     Subject: Re:Lyin' Ryan: Sub 3:00 Marathon
Even Fox news has something to say about Lyin' Ryan:

To anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech.


Fox sums up his speech in three words:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/


Anonymous
Post 09/01/2012 09:43     Subject: Re:Lyin' Ryan: Sub 3:00 Marathon
Anonymous wrote:Actually, the people who would be interested in how fast he ran a marathon run marathons themselves and get that this is a big lie! "Breaking the code" said it right!

I don't think marathon runners are a politician's target audience.
Anonymous
Post 09/01/2012 09:41     Subject: Lyin' Ryan: Sub 3:00 Marathon
Anonymous wrote:A few points:Governor Kasich used Biden's golf fibs to impeach the VP's honesty, so lying about sports is already on the table as a no-no.
Ryan's forte is budgeting, so number-fudging is a particularly important sin for him.OTOH, I think we should stop repeating the "even Fox News" line when it was a liberal guest columnist.

By that logic, a knowing, willful sports liar is VP. I'd say that makes Ryan's lie look more tactful. Taking a play from the dem's play book. Worked for Biden.
Anonymous
Post 09/01/2012 09:31     Subject: Lyin' Ryan: Sub 3:00 Marathon
A few points:

Governor Kasich used Biden's golf fibs to impeach the VP's honesty, so lying about sports is already on the table as a no-no.

Ryan's forte is budgeting, so number-fudging is a particularly important sin for him.

OTOH, I think we should stop repeating the "even Fox News" line when it was a liberal guest columnist.
Anonymous
Post 09/01/2012 09:04     Subject: Re:Lyin' Ryan: Sub 3:00 Marathon
Actually, the people who would be interested in how fast he ran a marathon run marathons themselves and get that this is a big lie! "Breaking the code" said it right!
Anonymous
Post 09/01/2012 08:57     Subject: Re:Lyin' Ryan: Sub 3:00 Marathon
Anonymous wrote:Saying "sub 3" when you mean "sub 4" when it's actually 4.1 or whatever time, sounds more to me like a typical politician answer, especially when you're not a runner. But the Zepplin thing, I'm not quite ready to forgive that.


This is a huge difference, It is like saying you played in the NFL when you actually were just a third stringer in high school. Why would you lie about this? Does anyone really care how fast he runs a marathon, It is a troubling look into his character.
Anonymous
Post 09/01/2012 08:53     Subject: Lyin' Ryan: Sub 3:00 Marathon
jsteele wrote:"In an interview with radio host Hugh Hewitt last week, Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan said he's run a sub-3:00 marathon."

"Runner's World checked 11 years of results for Grandma's Marathon, from 1988 through 1998, and found a finisher in the 1990 race by the name of Paul D. Ryan, 20, of Minneapolis."

"The finishing time listed was 4 hours, 1 minute and 25 seconds."

http://news.runnersworld.com/2012/08/31/paul-ryan-says-hes-run-sub-300-marathon/

Is it a big deal that Paul Ryan claimed to have run a marathon more than an hour faster than he actually did? No, if that was the only lie he has told recently, it wouldn't be a big deal. But, after the whoppers he told during his nomination speech, this guy is starting to look pathological.


To stand on stage at the RNC and deliver a speech that even Fox News proclaimed as filled with lies is telling. I think some people find it really easy to lie. Ryan is obviously one of those people. Most ( all?) politicians lie during campaigns, but this guy takes it to another level. The GOP ticket now has Romney who stands for nothing and everything, and Ryan who is a serial liar. Great.
Anonymous
Post 09/01/2012 08:46     Subject: Re:Lyin' Ryan: Sub 3:00 Marathon
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Saying "sub 3" when you mean "sub 4" when it's actually 4.1 or whatever time, sounds more to me like a typical politician answer, especially when you're not a runner. But the Zepplin thing, I'm not quite ready to forgive that.


It's not typical for anyone who's run a marathon. It's the difference between running a 9:12/mile pace and a 6:30/mile pace. Trust me...you know the difference.

I understand the mathematical difference. My point, as I said, is that for a politician and non-runner, it's not at all surprising that he "mis-spoke."


The guy is a total fitness buff. Saying he "misspoke" is being far too charitable.
Anonymous
Post 09/01/2012 08:20     Subject: Re:Lyin' Ryan: Sub 3:00 Marathon
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Saying "sub 3" when you mean "sub 4" when it's actually 4.1 or whatever time, sounds more to me like a typical politician answer, especially when you're not a runner. But the Zepplin thing, I'm not quite ready to forgive that.


It's not typical for anyone who's run a marathon. It's the difference between running a 9:12/mile pace and a 6:30/mile pace. Trust me...you know the difference.

I understand the mathematical difference. My point, as I said, is that for a politician and non-runner, it's not at all surprising that he "mis-spoke."