Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a 1%er and dont consider myself "rich." i would happily pay for more taxes if it actually went toward all the thE things Dems say wil disappear without increased taxes such as teachers, firemen, roads BUT we all know OUR money is being spent on solyndra, bridges to nowhere and marketing food stamps to illegals, etc etc. America doesnt like it and is fighting back. What is our fair share anyway...75% of our income like France is proposing???im done and voting for Romney and so is everyone I know.. Even former Obama supporters

If you are a 1%er you are too smart to believe that Solyndra is a big deal.

In reality, you are the same troll, with apparently a new income level. You like to do this "I was a dem but this year I'm voting for Romney" thing. Troll, troll, troll.

NP here. How is Solyndra not a bog deal?
Also, why can't people decide that Obama is not who we thought he was going to be? I know quite a few people who bought into it last time but aren't planning to vote for him again.

It's not a big deal because early stage companies have about a 10% success rate. If you don't invest, you never win. But 9 out of 10 times you expect to lose. That is the basis of venture capital. And that is why it is not a big deal.

People can decide Obama is not who they thought he was going to be. This particular troll never thought much of him to begin with and I'm tired of hearing him impersonate disillusioned Obama supporters in a personal campaign to sway opinion through his lies.

How dare you vote against Obama. You must be racist.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a 1%er and dont consider myself "rich." i would happily pay for more taxes if it actually went toward all the thE things Dems say wil disappear without increased taxes such as teachers, firemen, roads BUT we all know OUR money is being spent on solyndra, bridges to nowhere and marketing food stamps to illegals, etc etc. America doesnt like it and is fighting back. What is our fair share anyway...75% of our income like France is proposing???im done and voting for Romney and so is everyone I know.. Even former Obama supporters

If you are a 1%er you are too smart to believe that Solyndra is a big deal.

In reality, you are the same troll, with apparently a new income level. You like to do this "I was a dem but this year I'm voting for Romney" thing. Troll, troll, troll.

NP here. How is Solyndra not a bog deal?
Also, why can't people decide that Obama is not who we thought he was going to be? I know quite a few people who bought into it last time but aren't planning to vote for him again.

Obama doesn't like America. That's right... I said it.

Anonymous wrote:I am a 1%er and dont consider myself "rich." i would happily pay for more taxes if it actually went toward all the thE things Dems say wil disappear without increased taxes such as teachers, firemen, roads BUT we all know OUR money is being spent on solyndra, bridges to nowhere and marketing food stamps to illegals, etc etc. America doesnt like it and is fighting back. What is our fair share anyway...75% of our income like France is proposing???im done and voting for Romney and so is everyone I know.. Even former Obama supporters

If you are a 1%er you are too smart to believe that Solyndra is a big deal.

In reality, you are the same troll, with apparently a new income level. You like to do this "I was a dem but this year I'm voting for Romney" thing. Troll, troll, troll.

I am a 1%er and dont consider myself "rich." i would happily pay for more taxes if it actually went toward all the thE things Dems say wil disappear without increased taxes such as teachers, firemen, roads BUT we all know OUR money is being spent on solyndra, bridges to nowhere and marketing food stamps to illegals, etc etc. America doesnt like it and is fighting back. What is our fair share anyway...75% of our income like France is proposing???im done and voting for Romney and so is everyone I know.. Even former Obama supporters

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To some other posters that have wondered, Obama never misses an opportunity to demonize business. This has been done with banks and with BP, for example

Both examples of businesses that fucked up, big time.

Exactly. What would the country have thought of him if he went easy on BP or the banks?

To some other posters that have wondered, Obama never misses an opportunity to demonize business. This has been done with banks and with BP, for example

Both examples of businesses that fucked up, big time.

Way back, Obama was careless enough to speak of people clinging to their guns and Bibles. It was an honest and, IMO, justified thought, but not something you say in public. Nowadays he is a lot more careful, so the opposition has to work harder to get quotes they can use against him, in particular, quoting out of context so it sounds like he is saying something other than what they know was his actual point.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/business/ben-heineman-railroad-executive-and-johnson-adviser-dies-at-98.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Obama could learn a thing or 2 from this guy's life. Not to demonize business and business people and try and create class warfare.

Back then business people knew how to sacrifice for their country. This generation of business people has lost that.

nobody is greedier or lazier than goverment unions. as a private business owner my income has dropped 60% in the last 4 years I do more for less these days. The government needs to do more with less like any business can and does. Government Unions are full of weak, lazy people that cannot adapt to hard times.

That's great for you to say. But then when business booms, you get the upside. So you want government employees to be exposed to all of the risk, but they will never have upside because the government will never turn a profit.

Unfair and deceitful.

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:
Can you point out an example of Obama demonizing business and business people?

Pretty sure OP's referencing "You didn't build that."

But that was my first thought, too. I think Obama's scorn is really reserved for the idle rich and undertaxed.

I agree with you about where Obama's scorn is directed. But, if the OP is truly referencing "You didn't build that", the OP is quite mistaken. That is more of an example of scorn for accurate reporting and advertising. Of course, businessmen didn't build the roads and other public infrastructure that serve their businesses.

With all due respect, I think you are spinning things. I don't see how you can reach this conclusion when viewing the video. And further, well yes, businessmen did build the roads and other public infrastructure that serve their business in the sense that commerce is what leads to taxes that pays for that stuff. People taking raw materials and performing some kind of work that enhances value...that is what leads to commerce and to taxes. So I disagree on both your points.

To some other posters that have wondered, Obama never misses and opportunity to demonize business. This has been done with banks and with BP, for example. He is always looking for "whos neck to step on". I know what you are going to say...the banks caused the mess. Well did you see Barney Frank and Maxine Waters shout down Repbulicans in committee when they asked about Fannie and Freddie about 10 years ago? Are you familiar with Contrywide and Friends of Angelo and the influence pedling that was happening there? Exactly whose consituents were likely to get the NINJA loans anyway? With the banking mess, I would say we got just what we deserved and asked for.

With similar respect, I'd have to conclude that you haven't seen the video. This page has the entire 42 minute speech:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/jul/18/context-obamas-you-didnt-build-comment/

Here is the relevant section:

"There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

"So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the G.I. Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for President -- because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together."

I've bolded the critical passage. I am pretty sure that stating exactly what he said is not "spinning".

You are correct that businesses pay some amount of taxes or engage in commerce that generates taxes which help fund the government. However, people like you and me purchase the products those businesses produce, which helps fund those businesses. You and I no more produce that product we help finance than those businesses build the roads that their taxes help finance. That seems pretty obvious, don't you think. Clearly, a road by itself produces no revenue. Similarly, a business that is devoid of public infrastructure is unlikely to succeed. These things succeed because "we do things together." That is exactly Obama's point.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:
Can you point out an example of Obama demonizing business and business people?

Pretty sure OP's referencing "You didn't build that."

But that was my first thought, too. I think Obama's scorn is really reserved for the idle rich and undertaxed.

I agree with you about where Obama's scorn is directed. But, if the OP is truly referencing "You didn't build that", the OP is quite mistaken. That is more of an example of scorn for accurate reporting and advertising. Of course, businessmen didn't build the roads and other public infrastructure that serve their businesses.

With all due respect, I think you are spinning things. I don't see how you can reach this conclusion when viewing the video. And further, well yes, businessmen did build the roads and other public infrastructure that serve their business in the sense that commerce is what leads to taxes that pays for that stuff. People taking raw materials and performing some kind of work that enhances value...that is what leads to commerce and to taxes. So I disagree on both your points.

To some other posters that have wondered, Obama never misses and opportunity to demonize business. This has been done with banks and with BP, for example. He is always looking for "whos neck to step on". I know what you are going to say...the banks caused the mess. Well did you see Barney Frank and Maxine Waters shout down Repbulicans in committee when they asked about Fannie and Freddie about 10 years ago? Are you familiar with Contrywide and Friends of Angelo and the influence pedling that was happening there? Exactly whose consituents were likely to get the NINJA loans anyway? With the banking mess, I would say we got just what we deserved and asked for.

Buzz. False. Thanks for playing. Lovely parting gifts for you and all that.

Corporate taxes have never exceeded more than about 6% of GDP and currently are less than 2%.

The taxes that build roads and infrastructure come from the people, with a nominal contribution from business.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/business/ben-heineman-railroad-executive-and-johnson-adviser-dies-at-98.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Obama could learn a thing or 2 from this guy's life. Not to demonize business and business people and try and create class warfare.

Can you point out an example of Obama demonizing business and business people?

Pretty sure OP's referencing "You didn't build that."

But that was my first thought, too. I think Obama's scorn is really reserved for the idle rich and undertaxed.

The "idle rich and undertaxed" are the people with high assets, not everyone with high incomes (many of whom are working hard building their assets). If you really want to tax the "idle rich and undertaxed," let's talk about ways to tax real estate and financial assets, not primarily income.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/business/ben-heineman-railroad-executive-and-johnson-adviser-dies-at-98.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Obama could learn a thing or 2 from this guy's life. Not to demonize business and business people and try and create class warfare.

I miss business people who felt an obligation to give back to the communities and didn't harp that the the lowest taxes in 50 years were a burden.

not a romney supporter but if your comment is aimed at him, its a bit unfair.

considering that romney does give a significant amount to charity, i think he does see it as an obligation to give back. some may even say him wanting to be president is the same thing.

cant argue with the second part of your statement though

My comment wasn't aimed at Romney, but now that you brought him up, for many who wants to lead this country, he's certainly gone to great lengths to shortchange it of revenue.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/business/ben-heineman-railroad-executive-and-johnson-adviser-dies-at-98.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Obama could learn a thing or 2 from this guy's life. Not to demonize business and business people and try and create class warfare.

Back then business people knew how to sacrifice for their country. This generation of business people has lost that.

nobody is greedier or lazier than goverment unions. as a private business owner my income has dropped 60% in the last 4 years I do more for less these days. The government needs to do more with less like any business can and does. Government Unions are full of weak, lazy people that cannot adapt to hard times.

You seem like a very confused individual.

What do government unions have to do with your business?

No wonder your business is failing. You don't seem like you have a lot acumen. Or common sense.