There's a difference between "out of touch" and financially motivated to protect his unique interests.

2123 a net worth of a million is still more than most.

again, if you are simply taking my words to imply that meant presidents are romney wealthy, i already conceded that i got loose with my words (plus i never suggested this).

the bottom line is i dont care that romney is wealthy. i do care that hes not releasing his tax records or that he is shady with his wealth but the fact that he is overall rich, means nothing to me.

the fact that we harp on his clothes, his hobbies, etc is absurd. i do think romney is out of touch but hes not out of touch because hes rich. we can point to plenty of rich dems who we dont claim are out of touch. we can agree on that no?

Anonymous wrote:JFK.?

Do you recall anyone arguing that NO presidents came from wealth?

JFK.?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:so are the other american horse owners not taking tax deductions?

like i said earlier, who gives a shit? folks realize that most people who run for president are independently wealthy correct?

im not a romney fan but all these attempts to count his money is pathetic.i get hounding him for going out his way to avoid taxes via having his money overseas but we really going to get on his case for tax deductions?

i guess im just tired of this petty nonsense. its not a newsflash that romney is rich. im just sort of tired of acting like hes the only wealthy man in america taking tax deductions or not paying his "fair share" in taxes.

if anything, this tells us that our tax code needs real reform if someone like him (and there are many) have many ways to lessen their tax burden whereas the little guy does not.

Uh, incorrect. Most people who run for president are not independently wealthy.

fine. they have means and access to money. and if you are just trying to make the point that romney is richer than anyone who has ran for president, than ill give that to you.

everything else i said still stands.

Just looking at recent presidents, I would observe the following:

Harry S. Truman was a hat maker from Missouri who almost went bankrupt and he spent over two decades in public service.

Dwight Eisenhower obviously had a fantastic war record, but he didn't exactly have a lot of money. His non-military career prior to the White House consisted of two years as President of Columbia University, and the money he made from his memoirs, around half a million dollars. Other than that, he had worked the night shift at a dairy processor?

Gerald Ford was a career public servant. I think he made all of his money after the presidency.

I don't know Jimmy Carter's exact finances at election time, but I know that by the end of his term he was deeply in debt, the farm practically went under.

When Bill Clinton was elected President, the combined net worth of Clinton and his wife was between 350,000 and 1 million according to his FEC report. Most of his career was public service and almost all of the family money came from her job as a lawyer.

When Barack Obama was elected, his net worth was 1.3 million. He was a public servant, his wife made 320K working for a hospital system, and the only reason his finances looked as good as they did was the book deal.


So no, I'm going to have to disagree with you. We don't always elect rich men to the Presidency. Not even kinda sorta rich men.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:so are the other american horse owners not taking tax deductions?

like i said earlier, who gives a shit? folks realize that most people who run for president are independently wealthy correct?

im not a romney fan but all these attempts to count his money is pathetic.i get hounding him for going out his way to avoid taxes via having his money overseas but we really going to get on his case for tax deductions?

i guess im just tired of this petty nonsense. its not a newsflash that romney is rich. im just sort of tired of acting like hes the only wealthy man in america taking tax deductions or not paying his "fair share" in taxes.

if anything, this tells us that our tax code needs real reform if someone like him (and there are many) have many ways to lessen their tax burden whereas the little guy does not.

Uh, incorrect. Most people who run for president are not independently wealthy.

fine. they have means and access to money. and if you are just trying to make the point that romney is richer than anyone who has ran for president, than ill give that to you.

everything else i said still stands.

Anonymous wrote:why can't I write off expenses for my rescue mutt's vet care

You cannot write off $77k when the mutt did not cost 3k

I think Mitt paid about 3k for the horse

Anonymous wrote:Totally agree that they couldn't have picked a snootier hobby.

But in the end, contributing to the US medal count would be plus for Romney.

+1
Very elitist sport
Just emphasized how far removed we are from him

why can't I write off expenses for my rescue mutt's vet care

The PP who noted that Romeny doesn't know how to wear his money comfortably is spot on. The Bush 1 and Bush 2 were wealthy and didn't seem to have a problem interacting with "regular folk." I hated GW Bush as a president, but from what I have read and seen, I think he is probably a genuinely a nice guy who is a loyal to friends and family. I would love to hang around with the guy.

Romeny seems to tolerate the general public because he has to do so to be elected. Romeny is not only not like you, he thinks he is better than you.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:so are the other american horse owners not taking tax deductions?

like i said earlier, who gives a shit? folks realize that most people who run for president are independently wealthy correct?

im not a romney fan but all these attempts to count his money is pathetic.i get hounding him for going out his way to avoid taxes via having his money overseas but we really going to get on his case for tax deductions?

i guess im just tired of this petty nonsense. its not a newsflash that romney is rich. im just sort of tired of acting like hes the only wealthy man in america taking tax deductions or not paying his "fair share" in taxes.

if anything, this tells us that our tax code needs real reform if someone like him (and there are many) have many ways to lessen their tax burden whereas the little guy does not.

Uh, incorrect. Most people who run for president are not independently wealthy.

And Romeny is not independently wealthy, unless you think his father somehow never shared any of his millions with his son.

Romney's wealth will be a problem for many people if ht gets elected because it effects his view of the world. If you read his writing and listen to enough of his speeches, you will see a common thread that he believes he created his own wealth, that he deserves it because he earned it, and that anyone can do what he did if they just had his work ethic. On problem though, he never seems to take into account that being the son of an extremely wealth man and former Michigan governor might have given him some advantages that others will not have. He acts as if he pulled himself up by his own boot straps when he didn't. He seems to think that people who are not rich are that way because they don't have what it take to become rich. I once meet a very successful business man who told me, what is hard is making your first million and the more money you have the easier it is to grow it.

So while Romney may have taken millions and turned it into billions, he fails to acknowledge that he would not have made the billions if he did not already have the billions.

Anonymous wrote:if anything, this tells us that our tax code needs real reform if someone like him (and there are many) have many ways to lessen their tax burden whereas the little guy does not.

Exactly, except Romney would do the exact opposite -- reform the tax system to favor rich people while increasing the tax burden on the little guy.

Anonymous wrote:so are the other american horse owners not taking tax deductions?

like i said earlier, who gives a shit? folks realize that most people who run for president are independently wealthy correct?

im not a romney fan but all these attempts to count his money is pathetic.i get hounding him for going out his way to avoid taxes via having his money overseas but we really going to get on his case for tax deductions?

i guess im just tired of this petty nonsense. its not a newsflash that romney is rich. im just sort of tired of acting like hes the only wealthy man in america taking tax deductions or not paying his "fair share" in taxes.

if anything, this tells us that our tax code needs real reform if someone like him (and there are many) have many ways to lessen their tax burden whereas the little guy does not.

Uh, incorrect. Most people who run for president are not independently wealthy.