Anonymous
Post 07/23/2012 13:52     Subject: Re:Did you guys discuss the bitch of a father who abandoned his 4 month old during massacre?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:well, I don't know - during 9/11, my first reaction was to find my friend who worked closeby and make sure we got out together. I also knew I didn't want to die with the assholes I was working with at the time. It wasn't family, but in a crisis, my first thought was my loved ones.[/quote

This line makes me laugh!

sorry


I laughed too - that is exactly the same way I felt in 9/11. Get the fuck out of the building, I'm not going to die with these assholes.

Maybe that should be a t-shirt?
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2012 13:40     Subject: Re:Did you guys discuss the bitch of a father who abandoned his 4 month old during massacre?
We all react to shock differently, I get that. I just don't understand how he didn't snap out of it within, oh let's say, 4 seconds and look for his child.

Anonymous
Post 07/23/2012 13:31     Subject: Did you guys discuss the bitch of a father who abandoned his 4 month old during massacre?
I was in an earthquake once. My first thought was not my baby, it was utter confusion since it was the first earthquake I had experienced. My second thought was husband, then baby. Luckily it was a mild earthquake but it sort of scared me that my first thought wasn't the baby. I'd like to think that my instincts have changed (because the baby was only a few weeks old then) but I hope they are never, eve put to the test.

Also a good read is The Unthinkable: Who Survives When Disaster Strikes - and Why. It goes into detail about different reactions people have had in disasters, like fires and shootings. The Flight, Fight or Freeze responses are pretty powerful, and very hard to overcome.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2012 13:15     Subject: Re:Did you guys discuss the bitch of a father who abandoned his 4 month old during massacre?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:well, I don't know - during 9/11, my first reaction was to find my friend who worked closeby and make sure we got out together. I also knew I didn't want to die with the assholes I was working with at the time. It wasn't family, but in a crisis, my first thought was my loved ones.[/quote

This line makes me laugh!

sorry


No problem, I don't work at that place anymore. It really was one of the first things that crossed my mind, though - I don't like these people, please don't let me die with them. If I was going to die that day, I at least wanted to be with someone I cared about. If it meant going out and screaming my friend's name in the street, I was doing it.

That friend and I loved the story about the young ladies in the twin towers who fled together as soon as the plane hit the building. I think they got trapped on the elevator and survived, but they were together because they both looked at each other and thought "Oh, HELL no - we're outta here!" That was us that day - just lucky enough to not have been in a building that was hit. But we were NOT leaving without each other!
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2012 13:12     Subject: Did you guys discuss the bitch of a father who abandoned his 4 month old during massacre?
Anonymous wrote:I do think that your true character does come through in these situations, and he is going to have to live with knowing that his true character was not what he hoped it would be. That is probably punishment enough, as everybody believes they would do the brave thing (that old saying about how if everyone who claims they fought in the Resistance actually did there would have been no Holocaust at all).

I am a person who reacts well in crisis situations, but I don't really think I can take credit for it. I have quick reflexes and I go toward a conflict rather than away from it, even when the smart thing might be not to. Someday I might end up drowning trying to save someone in a flooded river and then people will be asking why I didn't just stay on the shore and call 911. Which is to say, sometimes giving up your life seems brave and sometimes it seems stupid. If I were the mother of a guy who died trying to save a girlfriend, I might be wishing he'd put himself first right now.

The bigger point, though, is that that guy did not shoot his girlfriend in the leg nor did he throw tear gas at her. He reacted in a bad situation and will live with that for the rest of his life.


Well I believe that we are what we do, not what we say. He reacted cowardly, that's all there is to it. He will certainly have the rest of his life to be sorry about it.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2012 13:07     Subject: Did you guys discuss the bitch of a father who abandoned his 4 month old during massacre?
I would forgive it if he "froze", but he didn't freeze, he fled, and kept fleeing -- didn't go "oh god, oops" and turn around.
I haven't been shot at, but have been in major crises, and you do pretty much act like yourself.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2012 13:03     Subject: Did you guys discuss the bitch of a father who abandoned his 4 month old during massacre?
I do think that your true character does come through in these situations, and he is going to have to live with knowing that his true character was not what he hoped it would be. That is probably punishment enough, as everybody believes they would do the brave thing (that old saying about how if everyone who claims they fought in the Resistance actually did there would have been no Holocaust at all).

I am a person who reacts well in crisis situations, but I don't really think I can take credit for it. I have quick reflexes and I go toward a conflict rather than away from it, even when the smart thing might be not to. Someday I might end up drowning trying to save someone in a flooded river and then people will be asking why I didn't just stay on the shore and call 911. Which is to say, sometimes giving up your life seems brave and sometimes it seems stupid. If I were the mother of a guy who died trying to save a girlfriend, I might be wishing he'd put himself first right now.

The bigger point, though, is that that guy did not shoot his girlfriend in the leg nor did he throw tear gas at her. He reacted in a bad situation and will live with that for the rest of his life.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2012 12:16     Subject: Re:Did you guys discuss the bitch of a father who abandoned his 4 month old during massacre?
Anonymous wrote:well, I don't know - during 9/11, my first reaction was to find my friend who worked closeby and make sure we got out together. I also knew I didn't want to die with the assholes I was working with at the time. It wasn't family, but in a crisis, my first thought was my loved ones.[/quote

This line makes me laugh!

sorry
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2012 12:15     Subject: Re:Did you guys discuss the bitch of a father who abandoned his 4 month old during massacre?
Actually, I have been in a situation when someone was shooting at me. You don't completely lose your mind. Your senses get heightened and you just react. What this tells me is that this guy doesn't think about anyone else but himself in most situations. Usually, your true character shows through in these kinds of situations. His happens to be a of a crying little bitch. Again, I'm speaking from experience.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2012 12:14     Subject: Re:Did you guys discuss the bitch of a father who abandoned his 4 month old during massacre?
Anonymous wrote:
There's a long discussion of this amidst the big long "Why were there kids in the theater" thread.


this isnt about why the kid was in the theater. you ask that question and muddy the water


To the contrary, I was answering the question posed by the OP in the subject line of this thread, and pointing her to where she could see the previous discussion.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2012 12:09     Subject: Re:Did you guys discuss the bitch of a father who abandoned his 4 month old during massacre?
I don't want to touch this one other than I hope he has it within himself to learn and grow.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2012 12:08     Subject: Did you guys discuss the bitch of a father who abandoned his 4 month old during massacre?
I agree 100% that this guy is a cowardly loser. His actions really are despicable and he should NOT be given any more TV time.

BTW, it's interesting that this guy is being taken to task for leaving his children, but the mother in Connecticut is given the benefit of the doubt.

IMO, they both exercised poor judgment in choosing self over their children.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2012 12:04     Subject: Did you guys discuss the bitch of a father who abandoned his 4 month old during massacre?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Give this guy all the excuses you want but damn if I'd marry someone who in a life threatening situation, his first reaction is to get the hell out of there and drive away. At best he's an asshole. I saw his fiance on GMA this weekend with the guy who guided her to safety. The reporter asked him why he didnt just leave and try to save himself. He said he saw she had a baby and another child and she had been shot in the leg. He said he couldnt leave her in that situation and get himself out. She should marry him instead.


+1

I'll beat the dead horse because the father is a real coward. Sadly, I'm sure she said yes because she's tired of being a single Mom and doesn't think she can do better.


this
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2012 12:04     Subject: Did you guys discuss the bitch of a father who abandoned his 4 month old during massacre?
Anonymous wrote:Give this guy all the excuses you want but damn if I'd marry someone who in a life threatening situation, his first reaction is to get the hell out of there and drive away. At best he's an asshole. I saw his fiance on GMA this weekend with the guy who guided her to safety. The reporter asked him why he didnt just leave and try to save himself. He said he saw she had a baby and another child and she had been shot in the leg. He said he couldnt leave her in that situation and get himself out. She should marry him instead.


thank you.

i know some of the people who died did so because they went out trying to save the lives of their girlfriend. not wife. a girlfriend.

this guy turns bitch and runs out on his blood and family and im suppose to entertain people telling me i dont know what i would do in said situation because i wasnt in it.

im taking a hail of bullets if it means my child survives. im not talking about stopping the shooter because i dont know if i would do that. im not saying id try to beat up mike tyson at a bar if he tried to talk to my wife. all that stuff is tough talk super hero bullshit.

im simply talking about taking the fall for my family which doesnt promise a danm thing for me and instead hopefully ensures the survival of my child. my ass is dead at this point so looking for kudos from a message board for typing what id do doesnt do or mean shit for me.

its whatever. yall can think its "tough talking" but i know im not leaving my children in any dangerous situation.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2012 12:01     Subject: Did you guys discuss the bitch of a father who abandoned his 4 month old during massacre?
Anonymous wrote:Give this guy all the excuses you want but damn if I'd marry someone who in a life threatening situation, his first reaction is to get the hell out of there and drive away. At best he's an asshole. I saw his fiance on GMA this weekend with the guy who guided her to safety. The reporter asked him why he didnt just leave and try to save himself. He said he saw she had a baby and another child and she had been shot in the leg. He said he couldnt leave her in that situation and get himself out. She should marry him instead.


+1

I'll beat the dead horse because the father is a real coward. Sadly, I'm sure she said yes because she's tired of being a single Mom and doesn't think she can do better.