Anonymous wrote:OP, the intersection as you describe seems to violate the laws of traffic design (two drivers from different directions both with green arrows). I agree with you, however. I think the right turner tops the U turner but in practice should go ahead and yield to U turner (apparently not at your intersection but most times I see a U turner, they are lost).

OP again- I think a lot of cars make a U-turn here because they really wanted to make a left at the intersection before, but the wait there is longer. If they go up to the next light and do a U, they can quickly go back and make the right turn (if that makes sense). I never pay attention long enough to see if this is always the case, but considering how many U-turns I see at this intersection it is my guess.

OP, the intersection as you describe seems to violate the laws of traffic design (two drivers from different directions both with green arrows). I agree with you, however. I think the right turner tops the U turner but in practice should go ahead and yield to U turner (apparently not at your intersection but most times I see a U turner, they are lost).

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Anonymous wrote:Right turn with arrow has right of way.
U-turn and left turns basically wait for everyone.

I think part of the problem is no one knows what color the other lanes have. The left-turn/u-turn drive may know to yeild to right-turns but may think that lane has a red light.

OP here. Exactly. I am at this intersection daily as the right-turner and I always end up giving way to the U-turner (when present, which is actually quite frequently), because they seem to think I am turning right on red.

Anonymous wrote:Right turn with arrow has right of way.
U-turn and left turns basically wait for everyone.

I think part of the problem is no one knows what color the other lanes have. The left-turn/u-turn drive may know to yeild to right-turns but may think that lane has a red light.