so why do you say that

Anonymous wrote:BUt the there are more compelling objective scores to counteract the dismal subjective score

I just said the GBRS should be determinative, not that it will be. Unlike some around here I don't pretend to know what the admissions committee will do.

BUt the there are more compelling objective scores to counteract the dismal subjective score

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Anonymous wrote:My DD retook the WISC and is in 3rd grade now, he previously had 129 now a year later 150 FSIQ, what are the chances with GBRS of 6, he is already in AAP maths.

GBRS of 6 should be be determinative. Not eligible.

SO subjective sores should override objective scores right????

yes when they are that low. That's really low.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD retook the WISC and is in 3rd grade now, he previously had 129 now a year later 150 FSIQ, what are the chances with GBRS of 6, he is already in AAP maths.

GBRS of 6 should be be determinative. Not eligible.

SO subjective sores should override objective scores right????

I think verbal capabilities can change over time as this a learnt ability the FSIQ was low because the VCI score brought it down and now he has made tremendous progress in the verbal skills in the last year hence the better FSIQ, but I do not think non verbal traits can be learnt those are innate and as with my DD these were the strengths from the initial testing.

Anonymous wrote:My DD retook the WISC and is in 3rd grade now, he previously had 129 now a year later 150 FSIQ, what are the chances with GBRS of 6, he is already in AAP maths.

GBRS of 6 should be be determinative. Not eligible.

Anonymous wrote:My DD retook the WISC and is in 3rd grade now, he previously had 129 now a year later 150 FSIQ, what are the chances with GBRS of 6, he is already in AAP maths.

^ so I guess that shoots the theory IQ doesn't change over time.

Anonymous wrote:My DD retook the WISC and is in 3rd grade now, he previously had 129 now a year later 150 FSIQ, what are the chances with GBRS of 6, he is already in AAP maths.

COGAT 135 and NNAT 160

My DD retook the WISC and is in 3rd grade now, he previously had 129 now a year later 150 FSIQ, what are the chances with GBRS of 6, he is already in AAP maths.

I would think academically gifted would show up in a classroom.

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Anonymous wrote:Remember not all kids in the AAP are gifted but are above average therefore there has been the name change from the " gifted and talented " to the "advance academic program." Some kids have low scores but are well liked by teachers and AART and may also display better behaviors and academic progress in class and those are given better GBRS's. But there are some that are not well liked and are overlooked are given poor GBRS's regardless of the high test scores. It is rather unfair process, thus the anxiety to appeal and get in.

The name of the program was not changed because the kids are not "gifted." It was changed because all kids are gifted in one area or another and the program is only for those who are academically gifted.

That being said, the WISC can only be taken once per year, and the result is unlikely to change. At this point I would let it go. If you keep pushing it your son will either end up feeling like he's not smart enough or like he's smarter than everyone else in his class. Neither of those are good for a child.

How can you be academically gifted yet not be in the highest math and reading groups? Not fair.

Anonymous wrote:I am thinking of the Wisc again as my son had a problem with Engish and his verbal comprehension score was quite low, he has since made tremendous progress in his reading and language skills so hopefully he will do better in this section, he had almost ceiling scores in the other sections.

I would retest under those circumstances.

I am thinking of the Wisc again as my son had a problem with Engish and his verbal comprehension score was quite low, he has since made tremendous progress in his reading and language skills so hopefully he will do better in this section, he had almost ceiling scores in the other sections.

Anonymous wrote:You guys got it all wrong. The real issue is identifying gifted second graders. Some kids that are gifted do not test well...and some kids that are gifted are extremely introverted and do not show there ability, but test well.

To me, the real issue should be will the kid be able to keep up with the workload, and will they take away from the other kids. It is not like AAP costs more -- the student to teacher ratios are the same.

I think when they admit high test scores and/or high GBRS - they are giving the program the best chance for what you are saying - kids who can keep up with the workload. Admitted the 'just miss the cutoff kids' lowers the overall test scores and GBRS of the admitted pool and would slow down the program for the rest of the children. There has to be a cutoff somwhere and someone always has to be the bubble.

to pp: the wisc measures iq and that is not really supposed to change over time. the only 3rd grader i know who was accepted this year was already receiving level iii services and blowing the rest of the kids away. seems tough to get in after 2nd.