Anonymous
Post 05/02/2012 14:56     Subject: Not eligible aap? Do you plan to appeal?
Do they resubmit the entire first package, scores and GBRS? I know another IQ test is necessary, but wondering if they start from scratch.
Anonymous
Post 05/02/2012 14:03     Subject: Not eligible aap? Do you plan to appeal?
12:23, you have nothing to lose by appealing; the only thing that's holding your child back is the GBRS. You've already done the WISC, and it shows your child has a 136 verbal score - that's 99th percentile. From numerous posts elsewhere on this board, the verbal score apparently is given the most weight in terms of indicating success in the program. The child's overall CogAT is 134. You could make your case in your appeal letter why your child needs the AAP program. Given the discrepency between the verbal and the processing scores, this could very well have led to the low GBRS. The child needs the services of the AAP program to teach to the child's cognitive level, and an AAP teacher may be more likely than a gen. ed. teacher to be able to understand and work with the profile your child has (e.g., gifted with processing issues).
Anonymous
Post 05/02/2012 12:44     Subject: Not eligible aap? Do you plan to appeal?
Anonymous wrote:
Parent of above child here. Just picked up the GBRS--a dismal 6. All comments positive, although based on something that was written most were gleaned from a one time 5 minute conversation with my child in early February. Anyhow, I feel this seals the deal with the appeal process as far as ineligibility. Now onto working on crafting an appropriate letter to get the right teacher for next year at current school!


Smart plan - good luck! Perhaps contact the AART to see if your child would qualify for pull-out services? Often those sort of decisions are made in early May for the upcoming school year.
Anonymous
Post 05/02/2012 12:23     Subject: Not eligible aap? Do you plan to appeal?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NNAT 117
CogAt 134 (verbal 138)
GBRS unknown but probably low.

Did WISC two weeks ago, FSIQ 128 with Verbal at 136.
Issues with Working Memory/processing speed--?ADHD--going through full workup.

Plan to appeal with WISC.


[list]And you should - Sounds perfect for the AAP center


Thanks for the vote of confidence. I think so too. DC is just quirky enough that I don't think his current teacher gets him or realizes his potential. The WISC administrator says he won't get in on appeal but to appeal anyway to make a complete file and ask for Level III services next year.


[list]I disagree. Your child sounds like a perfect fit for the AAP centet.


Perfect? no, but looks like just above borderline to me.


Parent of above child here. Just picked up the GBRS--a dismal 6. All comments positive, although based on something that was written most were gleaned from a one time 5 minute conversation with my child in early February. Anyhow, I feel this seals the deal with the appeal process as far as ineligibility. Now onto working on crafting an appropriate letter to get the right teacher for next year at current school!
Anonymous
Post 05/01/2012 10:04     Subject: Not eligible aap? Do you plan to appeal?
Not sure why some think that PP's child doesn't have a chance. I've read elsewhere in the forums that WISC 128 and above is "in"; plus her child has a 136 verbal score; plus he has a 138 verbal score on the CogAT.

PP - your child's processing issues can be accommodated in the AAP classroom. I'd make your case in your appeal that your DC needs the services of the AAP classroom, and provide some indication of why they wouldn't be met in the regular classroom (e.g., verbal ability is more than 2 standard deviations above the mean). Assuming your DC is eligible, you can meet with the teacher in the beginning of next year to discuss areas of strengths and weakness for your child, and whether any classroom adjustments are needed.

Best of luck!
Anonymous
Post 05/01/2012 08:34     Subject: Not eligible aap? Do you plan to appeal?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NNAT 117
CogAt 134 (verbal 138)
GBRS unknown but probably low.

Did WISC two weeks ago, FSIQ 128 with Verbal at 136.
Issues with Working Memory/processing speed--?ADHD--going through full workup.

Plan to appeal with WISC.


[list]And you should - Sounds perfect for the AAP center


Thanks for the vote of confidence. I think so too. DC is just quirky enough that I don't think his current teacher gets him or realizes his potential. The WISC administrator says he won't get in on appeal but to appeal anyway to make a complete file and ask for Level III services next year.


[list]I disagree. Your child sounds like a perfect fit for the AAP centet.


Perfect? no, but looks like just above borderline to me.
Anonymous
Post 05/01/2012 08:31     Subject: Not eligible aap? Do you plan to appeal?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NNAT 117
CogAt 134 (verbal 138)
GBRS unknown but probably low.

Did WISC two weeks ago, FSIQ 128 with Verbal at 136.
Issues with Working Memory/processing speed--?ADHD--going through full workup.

Plan to appeal with WISC.


[list]And you should - Sounds perfect for the AAP center


Thanks for the vote of confidence. I think so too. DC is just quirky enough that I don't think his current teacher gets him or realizes his potential. The WISC administrator says he won't get in on appeal but to appeal anyway to make a complete file and ask for Level III services next year.


[list]I disagree. Your child sounds like a perfect fit for the AAP centet.
Anonymous
Post 05/01/2012 07:52     Subject: Not eligible aap? Do you plan to appeal?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NNAT 117
CogAt 134 (verbal 138)
GBRS unknown but probably low.

Did WISC two weeks ago, FSIQ 128 with Verbal at 136.
Issues with Working Memory/processing speed--?ADHD--going through full workup.

Plan to appeal with WISC.


[list]And you should - Sounds perfect for the AAP center


Thanks for the vote of confidence. I think so too. DC is just quirky enough that I don't think his current teacher gets him or realizes his potential. The WISC administrator says he won't get in on appeal but to appeal anyway to make a complete file and ask for Level III services next year.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2012 23:07     Subject: Not eligible aap? Do you plan to appeal?
Anonymous wrote:CoGat ....
Verbal 131
Quantitative 120
Non verbal 115


GBRS 14
Above grade level reading score

Should we get a WISC? Why scores all over place?[/


If it were me, I would get the WISC. The GBRS alone is convincing. Good luck in whatever you decide.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2012 22:48     Subject: Not eligible aap? Do you plan to appeal?
Anonymous wrote:CoGat ....
Verbal 131
Quantitative 120
Non verbal 115


GBRS 14
Above grade level reading score

Should we get a WISC? Why scores all over place?


Not sure.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2012 22:30     Subject: Re:Not eligible aap? Do you plan to appeal?
[quote=Anonymous]"Whether you have an Ivy League diploma framed on your wall, or a certificate from that school no one has ever heard of, it’s up to the individual to make the most of the opportunities they are given, work hard, and pursue their goals".

Parents can not do it for them - even though you think you can. AAP does not indicate future success -- Chillax all you uptight nut cases![/quote]

+1
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2012 22:28     Subject: Re:Not eligible aap? Do you plan to appeal?
"Whether you have an Ivy League diploma framed on your wall, or a certificate from that school no one has ever heard of, it’s up to the individual to make the most of the opportunities they are given, work hard, and pursue their goals".

Parents can not do it for them - even though you think you can. AAP does not indicate future success -- Chillax all you uptight nut cases!
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2012 22:16     Subject: Not eligible aap? Do you plan to appeal?
Anonymous wrote:NNAT 117
CogAt 134 (verbal 138)
GBRS unknown but probably low.

Did WISC two weeks ago, FSIQ 128 with Verbal at 136.
Issues with Working Memory/processing speed--?ADHD--going through full workup.

Plan to appeal with WISC.


[list]And you should - Sounds perfect for the AAP center
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2012 22:10     Subject: Not eligible aap? Do you plan to appeal?
CoGat ....
Verbal 131
Quantitative 120
Non verbal 115


GBRS 14
Above grade level reading score

Should we get a WISC? Why scores all over place?
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2012 18:45     Subject: Re:Not eligible aap? Do you plan to appeal?
Anonymous wrote:PP here with the DC with the seemingly anomalous WISC score. The way this was explained to be the WISC administrator is that CogATs and NNATs are both slanted a bit to a child with strong non-verbal capabilities.

To this end, our DC scored a 133 on Perceptual reasoning rating -- very superior in three out of five subtests -- but only 112 on verbal (just high average). Within that DC, did well in a couple of areas - vocabulary (superior) and information (very superior) - but just average in comprehension. DC also scored average (just 100) on processing speed with one low average (Coding). Working memory was high average.

The processing speed index - and also the comprehension issue - are what look like red flags to me that something is quite right. This is proving to be a very interesting journey.

There is nothing wrong with your child. Nothing up at all except your child is very smart and will be a well round intelligent adult provided you don't stress them out worrying about nothing. Intelligence is extremely complicated and most psychologists and neurologists will tell you that it is impossible to measure accurately. Don't stress about a couple of points in one direction or another on these tests. Focus on achievement. My DC scored genius level 150+ IQ and goofs around in class too much. I focus on motivating DC as much as possible but I also know that DC needs to just be a kid.