Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:11:09 that makes me weep. I cannot imagine hearing those words, and the fact that the OP is so unbelievably unseeing that this is the case for many parents struggling with this information is just beyond the pale.

OP, you need to shut up when you don't know what you're talking about.

I am not the OP, but it makes me weep too. But the only difference is, the fact that you and the above PP are so unbelievably unseeing that killing your own child yourself just to save it from being killed? What? I don't get that?

That's right, you don't get it because you've obviously never been through it. But just going on judging people if that makes you feel better about yourself.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:11:09 that makes me weep. I cannot imagine hearing those words, and the fact that the OP is so unbelievably unseeing that this is the case for many parents struggling with this information is just beyond the pale.

OP, you need to shut up when you don't know what you're talking about.

I am not the OP, but it makes me weep too. But the only difference is, the fact that you and the above PP are so unbelievably unseeing that killing your own child yourself just to save it from being killed? What? I don't get that?

Of course you wouldn't "get that." Have you been through it?

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, but Spina bifida is NOT comparable to T18/T13.

Spina bifida is a serious, but manageable, condition. These kids and adults are capable of living happy and wonderful lives, just like you or I. Yes, there are extra challenges, but there is so much support and love available for my neice and her whole family.

You do realize that spina bifida just means there is a hole where the spine didn't close? Some holes are bigger than others. Some cause extreme problems that can't be repaired.

I have a cousin with spina bifida. She had a very difficult childhood filled with painful surgeries. She is now a college-educated, married woman leading a wonderful life.

I also had a pregnancy that I chose to terminate because of Down Syndrome. I did this because while I know that many people with Down Syndrome go on to lead long, healthy lives, I also know of babies who died immediately after birth, at 4 months, and at 21. I've known families that have fallen apart and elderly parents who are spending their last years caring for adult children who cannot take care of themselves. We decided we did not want to take the chance that that could happen to our family. We did not want our older child to have to care for a disabled child after we are gone. I understand that you can never predict the future, but we considered our odds and chose not to take the chance.

That does not mean I do not value the lives of disabled people, like my cousin. I made a choice that I felt was best for my family and it has nothing to do with other families and their choices. I wish everyone the best of luck with their choices.

Anonymous wrote:11:09 that makes me weep. I cannot imagine hearing those words, and the fact that the OP is so unbelievably unseeing that this is the case for many parents struggling with this information is just beyond the pale.

OP, you need to shut up when you don't know what you're talking about.

Obviously the OP was talking about conditions that were not terminal. Her example was her niece's spina bifade. Stop being so defensive and read what is there.

Anonymous wrote:11:09 that makes me weep. I cannot imagine hearing those words, and the fact that the OP is so unbelievably unseeing that this is the case for many parents struggling with this information is just beyond the pale.

OP, you need to shut up when you don't know what you're talking about.

I am not the OP, but it makes me weep too. But the only difference is, the fact that you and the above PP are so unbelievably unseeing that killing your own child yourself just to save it from being killed? What? I don't get that?

These threads are so stupid, why do I keep reading them. I guess I enjoy telling some people to f*ck off. Like you, stupid Holland lady. It's just none of your business how many abortions I have. Unless you want me to skype you in. Brace yourself, the last one took three days. Cavalier is not how I would describe it.

Good luck with YOUR pregnancy sweetie. Sure hope the folic acid absorbtion thing isn't hereditary.

I'm sorry, but Spina bifida is NOT comparable to T18/T13.

Spina bifida is a serious, but manageable, condition. These kids and adults are capable of living happy and wonderful lives, just like you or I. Yes, there are extra challenges, but there is so much support and love available for my neice and her whole family.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see NARAL has released its pit bull female dogs in here.

Actually, I don't think so. I think you have reached a couple people who have heard the words "there is a trisomy on chromosome [13, 18]. The condition is incompatible with life. You will probably lose the baby sometime in the second or third trimester. If the baby reaches term, it will probably be still born. If it is born, it will have multiple defects and will die shortly after birth of organ failure. If the baby doesn't immediately die of organ failure, s/he will need at least a dozen surgeries immediately to correct [holes in his/her heart, bone, ...]. The baby will have decreased immunity, so s/he can't play with your other children. S/he will have learning disabilities and will never [walk, talk, eat or breathe on his/her own]. Even with the surgeries and the best medicine we have, the baby will probably die before his/her fourth birthday, because that is the longest any child with this condition has ever lived."

so not a citizen if born?

11:09 that makes me weep. I cannot imagine hearing those words, and the fact that the OP is so unbelievably unseeing that this is the case for many parents struggling with this information is just beyond the pale.

OP, you need to shut up when you don't know what you're talking about.

kill for convenience

Anonymous wrote:I see NARAL has released its pit bull female dogs in here.

Actually, I don't think so. I think you have reached a couple people who have heard the words "there is a trisomy on chromosome [13, 18]. The condition is incompatible with life. You will probably lose the baby sometime in the second or third trimester. If the baby reaches term, it will probably be still born. If it is born, it will have multiple defects and will die shortly after birth of organ failure. If the baby doesn't immediately die of organ failure, s/he will need at least a dozen surgeries immediately to correct [holes in his/her heart, bone, ...]. The baby will have decreased immunity, so s/he can't play with your other children. S/he will have learning disabilities and will never [walk, talk, eat or breathe on his/her own]. Even with the surgeries and the best medicine we have, the baby will probably die before his/her fourth birthday, because that is the longest any child with this condition has ever lived."

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Anonymous wrote:When you are personally faced with a diagnosis that does or does not work for you family then you can do whatever you like up there on your high horse. For those of us who have actually experienced this and have been told that the baby we're carrying with Trisomy 13 or some other fatal/incompatible with life diagnosis/is not viable, we will do what works for us and our family. Good for your sister for doing it her way! Not that anyone needs to justify themselves to the likes of you, but sometimes I think that people like you are just plain ignorant about exactly how many terrible diagnosis' are out there and given to a woman who is very excited about having a baby and then BAM...world turned upside down! For me, there was no way I was going to give birth to a baby who at best be born and suffer 5 days of life completely supported by modern medicine and at worst would be still born late in the pregnancy. Either way, I hope your pregnancy is a healthy one and that you never have to face the decisions that many of us have. Please think before you post.

PP, thank you. I am not so kind and charitable when it comes to this issue.

OP, go tell your sister she should have taken folic acid and her kid wouldn't have had SB, you sanctimonious bitch.

PP, sorry that you are having such a bad day. But thanks for giving me an opportunity to educate. My sister was on folic acid. Folic acid only reduces the risk of SB by 50-70%. I researched this extensively prior to TTC. It doesn't matter how awesome your food intake and vitamin usage is. Folic acid is just like a seat belt - a great idea and we should all use them, but they do not protect against all injuries.

I hope your day gets better!!!!

Anonymous wrote:When you are personally faced with a diagnosis that does or does not work for you family then you can do whatever you like up there on your high horse. For those of us who have actually experienced this and have been told that the baby we're carrying with Trisomy 13 or some other fatal/incompatible with life diagnosis/is not viable, we will do what works for us and our family. Good for your sister for doing it her way! Not that anyone needs to justify themselves to the likes of you, but sometimes I think that people like you are just plain ignorant about exactly how many terrible diagnosis' are out there and given to a woman who is very excited about having a baby and then BAM...world turned upside down! For me, there was no way I was going to give birth to a baby who at best be born and suffer 5 days of life completely supported by modern medicine and at worst would be still born late in the pregnancy. Either way, I hope your pregnancy is a healthy one and that you never have to face the decisions that many of us have. Please think before you post.

PP, thank you. I am not so kind and charitable when it comes to this issue.

OP, go tell your sister she should have taken folic acid and her kid wouldn't have had SB, you sanctimonious bitch.

I see NARAL has released its pit bull female dogs in here.