I thought people got pissy about second showers because parents had gifts already.

Are you under the impression that she got knocked up just so she could hose you down for gifts?

Well, this girl sounds like she has poor judgment and she's not a long-term thinker, given that she got rid of her baby stuff before the age of 21. If there's any chance of having another baby, you keep the stuff. Hell, I'm 40 and I still have my maternity clothes (from 3.5 years ago) just on the off-chance i'm not really one-and-done.

OP, sounds like you have no interest in going to the shower or giving a gift. So don't.

Wow, OP, judgey mcjudgerson much???

Anonymous wrote:If the Mom could use the items, I would send a gift. While I'm pro-choice, I realize that some people aren't, so I don't judge others who decide to keep their child instead of aborting.

People who choose to carry a pregnancy instead of aborting can be pro-choice, too. Pro-choice doesn't mean pro-abortion!

OP, is there any chance at all that she would consider adoption? Really, that would so be the best for all involved... especially the child, of course.

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Anonymous wrote:OP are you paying her bills? Buying food or diapers for her first? Are you judging that she is having a second one she can't afford or that she is single? Or "unwed" as you put it.

While I don't think having 2 on her own at 21 is the best situation, something about you just rubs me the wrong way.

Well if she's on welfare.........then the answer is yes.

She is on welfare, food stamps, the works. She is currently unemployed, we are not talking about a hard working career woman who decided to start a family on her own. We are talking about a young lady that has thrown caution to the wind, and expects everyone to bail her out when she needs help. I am thinking about the baby, which is why I am sending a gift, I think I made that pretty clear. My problem is the family throwing her a baby shower and expecting people to again supply her with baby items. I feel for her parents because they are supporting her and the children. Another reason I will help. I know she is a difficult person, she is demanding about how and when things are done. I know there was some suspicion that she was using marijuana during her last pregnancy, and she got a visit from CPS in the hospital after the birh. But, no I am not buying her diapers or food, I guess I am judging her, because I know the history and I am worried.

she doesn't sound very smart, but I feel badly for her reading her story. clearly doesn't have her sh*t together. I would try to help her by buying only very practical things-like diapers.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the Mom could use the items, I would send a gift. While I'm pro-choice, I realize that some people aren't, so I don't judge others who decide to keep their child instead of aborting.

What? Why would you even say something like that?

What a cold person you must be to be so flippant about killing a baby.

WTF are you talking about? Read it again, without the hysterics dumbass.

Thank you for proving my point.

It's really not that hard to understand. There was really no need to bring baby killing into this discussion in such a casual manner as if you are talking about whether or not people choose to have their teeth cleaned yearly.

"Well I don't judge young single moms for not having an abortion"

What? Why is that even in this discussion?

Uhmmmm, because the OP is passing judgement on a young Mom.

What I said is that I'm pro-choice.

Some people aren't and if they become pregnant, they have their child.

Are they better or worse than the girl who gets pregnant and aborts?

Neither is better than the other, so why harshly judge the one who chooses to have her child.

Get it....now move along.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the Mom could use the items, I would send a gift. While I'm pro-choice, I realize that some people aren't, so I don't judge others who decide to keep their child instead of aborting.

What? Why would you even say something like that?

What a cold person you must be to be so flippant about killing a baby.

WTF are you talking about? Read it again, without the hysterics dumbass.

Thank you for proving my point.

It's really not that hard to understand. There was really no need to bring baby killing into this discussion in such a casual manner as if you are talking about whether or not people choose to have their teeth cleaned yearly.

"Well I don't judge young single moms for not having an abortion"

What? Why is that even in this discussion?

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Anonymous wrote:What does being married have to do with it? Is it 1950?
She needs stuff for the baby so the shower would be useful....don't you think?

Oh, please, here we go again. The lunatics are out tonight....

PP, you are the lunatic. It isn't 1950 and she's not "unwed", she's single. Okay, SantorumMom?

She's absolutely "unwed" and her kids are "illigit." Just because you don't like those words doesn't mean that they are wrong.

Anonymous wrote:OP are you paying her bills? Buying food or diapers for her first? Are you judging that she is having a second one she can't afford or that she is single? Or "unwed" as you put it.

While I don't think having 2 on her own at 21 is the best situation, something about you just rubs me the wrong way.

Well if she's on welfare.........then the answer is yes.

OP are you paying her bills? Buying food or diapers for her first? Are you judging that she is having a second one she can't afford or that she is single? Or "unwed" as you put it.

While I don't think having 2 on her own at 21 is the best situation, something about you just rubs me the wrong way.

I get it, you want the validation. Here it is: she is a dumb tacky slut whose white trash children will make up the fast food workers of the next generation.

There, feel free to now do whatever it is that you want to do.

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Anonymous wrote:What does being married have to do with it? Is it 1950?
She needs stuff for the baby so the shower would be useful....don't you think?

Oh, please, here we go again. The lunatics are out tonight....

PP, you are the lunatic. It isn't 1950 and she's not "unwed", she's single. Okay, SantorumMom?

Anonymous wrote:I would judge.

I would not go. This is insane. Really feel bad for those kids, of course. It must be tough to start life with such a birdbrain for a mother.

Why do you feel bad? Maybe she's a great mom.