Anonymous
Post 04/11/2012 20:12     Subject: Re:Zimmerman Charged w/ 2nd Degree & In Custody.
I still believe that no one had to get shot here. A fist fight doesn't have to escalate to murder. It's manslaughter at the very least.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2012 20:06     Subject: Re:Zimmerman Charged w/ 2nd Degree & In Custody.
Anonymous wrote:The prosecutor in this case reminds me of the prosecutor in the Duke Univ. Lacrosse incident; she's hoping to become a household name and run for higher office. I think, ultimately, the state will waste a lot of money, give her a lot of publicity, and he will be acquitted if it actually goes to trial. This whole thing was media oriented.



I bet you wouldn't say this if it were your child who was killed.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2012 19:47     Subject: Zimmerman Charged w/ 2nd Degree & In Custody.
I am worried that the charges will not stick. I am worried this is just a sop for the angry public.

I believe Z murdered TM but I don't think you will see a conviction here.

I believe OJ murdered Nicole and Casey murdered Caylee. Doesn't get you a conviction.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2012 19:39     Subject: Zimmerman Charged w/ 2nd Degree & In Custody.
Anonymous wrote:Why second degree? The man left his car and approached TM, dam it.


because IMO clearly, even to one like me with not much sympathy for Zimmerman, he did not premeditate the killing.

he acted to deliberately cause serious bodily injury or kill without premeditation: that's 2nd degree murder in most states.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2012 19:38     Subject: Zimmerman Charged w/ 2nd Degree & In Custody.
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Not really. WHat I'm wondering is did Zimmerman shoot him in the chest or in the back? When the police found Trayvon, he was face down. Let's say that Trayvon DID throw the first punch. If Zimmerman is on top of him, he's face down, and the police is on the way (because he called them!), how is it in any way legally justifiable to then shoot and kill that person? Stand Your Ground does not apply here. Stand Your Ground doesn't mean that you can kill someone who takes a swing at you.


I had heard that TM was shot in the chest. That info. could be wrong, but I'm assuming that TM was shot during the altercation and shot in the chest. So, in that circumstance, I still say it's a matter of who threw the first punch. I do agree with you there could be circumstances under which TM threw the first punch, but no longer posed a threat, and then was shot. Under that circumstance, it wouldn't matter if TM threw the first punch.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2012 19:26     Subject: Re:Zimmerman Charged w/ 2nd Degree & In Custody.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The prosecutor in this case reminds me of the prosecutor in the Duke Univ. Lacrosse incident; she's hoping to become a household name and run for higher office. I think, ultimately, the state will waste a lot of money, give her a lot of publicity, and he will be acquitted if it actually goes to trial. This whole thing was media oriented.


My DH just said the same thing. He said it felt like the same case.


Your DH and that pp are idiots. Congrats.


Add me to the list of idiots. While I don't think George Zimmerman's actions are in any way morally justifiable, I think this case is completely media-driven and there is not much of a chance they will get a conviction.


I guess people like you and the PP don't have a problem if someone shoots your child down in cold blood and try to sweep it under the rug. Your kids are so lucky to have parents like you.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2012 19:22     Subject: Zimmerman Charged w/ 2nd Degree & In Custody.
Anonymous wrote:19:03 here --- I thought the prosecutor (AC) was GREAT! She was very articulate, answered many questions gracefully. I'm not a big fan of the "I prayed with the family" thing, but it is the South, so I guess that's just the way they do it.

I was very impressed with her.


+1
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2012 19:15     Subject: Re:Zimmerman Charged w/ 2nd Degree & In Custody.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The prosecutor in this case reminds me of the prosecutor in the Duke Univ. Lacrosse incident; she's hoping to become a household name and run for higher office. I think, ultimately, the state will waste a lot of money, give her a lot of publicity, and he will be acquitted if it actually goes to trial. This whole thing was media oriented.


My DH just said the same thing. He said it felt like the same case.


Your DH and that pp are idiots. Congrats.


Add me to the list of idiots. While I don't think George Zimmerman's actions are in any way morally justifiable, I think this case is completely media-driven and there is not much of a chance they will get a conviction.


Yes, because you know the facts of the case to make this determination. You have access to the autopsy, toxicology reports, ballistics, Zimmerman's medical records, etc.

Enjoy your stay on the idiot's list.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2012 19:13     Subject: Zimmerman Charged w/ 2nd Degree & In Custody.
Anonymous wrote:Just because you leave your car and approach someone doesn't show anything about intent to kill. Have you never approached someone you didn't know? Did you intend to get into a physical altercation with that person?

Whoever started the physical fight is the one who is at fault here. Unfortunately, the only one who can testify to that seems to be Mr. Zimmerman. We will probably never really know what happened, but it certainly is possible that Martin started the fight. Just like it is possible that Zimmerman started the fight. Talking to someone or even calling them offensive names doesn't mean you "stalked and murdered" someone.

The only question that matters is who threw the first punch.

let someone follow ur kid with a gun
chase him despite 911 telling him not to then end up dead and then see
if you feel differently.
yea if I punch someone they can just shoot me, how dumb usvthat
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2012 19:13     Subject: Zimmerman Charged w/ 2nd Degree & In Custody.
Anonymous wrote:Why second degree? The man left his car and approached TM, dam it.


1st degree murder was probably tough to get, and she would have had to go through a Grand Jury. There is risk to that.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2012 19:12     Subject: Zimmerman Charged w/ 2nd Degree & In Custody.
Anonymous wrote:Just because you leave your car and approach someone doesn't show anything about intent to kill. Have you never approached someone you didn't know? Did you intend to get into a physical altercation with that person?

Whoever started the physical fight is the one who is at fault here. Unfortunately, the only one who can testify to that seems to be Mr. Zimmerman. We will probably never really know what happened, but it certainly is possible that Martin started the fight. Just like it is possible that Zimmerman started the fight. Talking to someone or even calling them offensive names doesn't mean you "stalked and murdered" someone.

The only question that matters is who threw the first punch.


Not really. WHat I'm wondering is did Zimmerman shoot him in the chest or in the back? When the police found Trayvon, he was face down. Let's say that Trayvon DID throw the first punch. If Zimmerman is on top of him, he's face down, and the police is on the way (because he called them!), how is it in any way legally justifiable to then shoot and kill that person? Stand Your Ground does not apply here. Stand Your Ground doesn't mean that you can kill someone who takes a swing at you.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2012 19:08     Subject: Zimmerman Charged w/ 2nd Degree & In Custody.
19:03 here --- I thought the prosecutor (AC) was GREAT! She was very articulate, answered many questions gracefully. I'm not a big fan of the "I prayed with the family" thing, but it is the South, so I guess that's just the way they do it.

I was very impressed with her.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2012 19:06     Subject: Re:Zimmerman Charged w/ 2nd Degree & In Custody.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The prosecutor in this case reminds me of the prosecutor in the Duke Univ. Lacrosse incident; she's hoping to become a household name and run for higher office. I think, ultimately, the state will waste a lot of money, give her a lot of publicity, and he will be acquitted if it actually goes to trial. This whole thing was media oriented.


My DH just said the same thing. He said it felt like the same case.


I went to Duke. This is not the same case at all. In the Duke case, the accuser's account clearly was contradicted by evidence available to the prosecutor, and which was being discussed openly in the press. In this case, it is Zimmerman's story which has potential contradictions, and the victim in the case is dead and can tell no whopping lies.

If you want to pretend the prosecutor's ambition is the cause, you have serious blinders on.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2012 19:04     Subject: Re:Zimmerman Charged w/ 2nd Degree & In Custody.
MOON-HEADED BAMA.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2012 19:03     Subject: Zimmerman Charged w/ 2nd Degree & In Custody.
Just because you leave your car and approach someone doesn't show anything about intent to kill. Have you never approached someone you didn't know? Did you intend to get into a physical altercation with that person?

Whoever started the physical fight is the one who is at fault here. Unfortunately, the only one who can testify to that seems to be Mr. Zimmerman. We will probably never really know what happened, but it certainly is possible that Martin started the fight. Just like it is possible that Zimmerman started the fight. Talking to someone or even calling them offensive names doesn't mean you "stalked and murdered" someone.

The only question that matters is who threw the first punch.