Please do not talk about Catholicism if you know nothing about Catholicism. No one but the priest actually knows why he refused her the Eucharist. He knows that she is not in a state of grace he cannot give her the Eucharist. The assumption that it was because she is gay is a big leap. The priest cannot defend himself by telling how she is not in a state of grace. It is a sin under Catholic doctrine for anyone to receive the body of Christ if he/she is not in a state of grace and the sin is greater for the priest if he knowingly administers the Eucharist under these circumstances. That is why a priest cannot knowingly administer the Eucharist to someone who is divorce and remarried without an annulment. To be divorced alone does not prohibit someone from being n a state of grace and receiving the Eucharist. Without knowing why the priest acted as he did, and his inability to discuss his actions, everyone is jumping to conclusions based up the woman being gay.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pedophiles priests get communion, and even transferred to other parishes where they can continue their child rape. Homosexuals in committed, loving relationships get denied communion at their parent's funeral.

I don't really mind any of this, but when these monstrous dysfunctional bullies start trying to influence public policy in favor of their bullshit, that is when I get angry. Their moral compass is clearly severely damaged and they would do well to try to bring their own house in order.

So are all Priests pedophiles? Any known pedophiles should get the same treatment in regards to communion as this woman. Should I say all gays are pedophiles because sandusky is one?

[My apologies for the poor grammar above, I accidently hit submit before finishing the post]


Let's not let describe the RC pedophile scandal as just a few rogue priests. The problem was institutional as known or accused pedophile priests were transferred to new parishes to oversee new children, rather than facing the justice system. Let's also remember that one of the most powerful priests in the US, Cardinal Bernard Law (the Archbishop of Boston) was accused of this practice. Unfortunately, he was transferred out of the country by the RC Church before US authorities could bring him to justice. Cardinal Law not only escaped accountability, he now gets to live a nice Vatican apartment and also gets to help select future Popes. That doesn't sound like an organization that should pass judgement on others.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would her walk to get the communion if she knew according to the church she's living in sin?

Come on, folks. I'm all for gay rights but we must know our place.

If sinners couldn't take communion the mass sure wouldn't last very long.

Bible is very clear that we're all sinners, and that the duty of the church is to minister to sinners. I don't happen to believe that being lesbian or in an lesbian relationship is a sin, but even if you do believe that, it shouldn't impact communion.

PP you quoted here. I'm no Catholic and I'm not sure about the church's take on this.

I'm protestant and in my church, if you know you're in sin and you're taking the communion you're supposed to make amendments with God and with the person who's offended by your sin before taking it.

This lady has clearly no desire to leave her sin, totally different from the case you're stating where we're all sinners and struggling to accept God's forgiveness and leave our sin behind.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pedophiles priests get communion, and even transferred to other parishes where they can continue their child rape. Homosexuals in committed, loving relationships get denied communion at their parent's funeral.

I don't really mind any of this, but when these monstrous dysfunctional bullies start trying to influence public policy in favor of their bullshit, that is when I get angry. Their moral compass is clearly severely damaged and they would do well to try to bring their own house in order.

So are all Priests pedophiles? Any known pedophiles should get the same treatment in regards to communion as this woman. Should I say all gays are pedophiles because sandusky is one?

Let's not let describe the RC pedophile scandal as just a few rogue priests. The problem was institutional as known or accused priests were transferred to new parishes to oversee new children, rather than resolving the problem directly. Let's also remember that one of the Archbishop of Boston was accused of this practice, but was transferred out of the country before authorities could bring him to justice. Cardinal Law not only was not held accountable, he get's a nice apartment in Rome and now get's to help select future Popes whose primary job is to scold the rest of us for using birth control and other bedroom sins.

Anonymous wrote:Why would her walk to get the communion if she knew according to the church she's living in sin?

Come on, folks. I'm all for gay rights but we must know our place.

If sinners couldn't take communion the mass sure wouldn't last very long.

Bible is very clear that we're all sinners, and that the duty of the church is to minister to sinners. I don't happen to believe that being lesbian or in an lesbian relationship is a sin, but even if you do believe that, it shouldn't impact communion.

They tolerant enough to let her in. gay is specially stated as a sin, unless you write a new bible that omits the not so easy rules it will always remain wrong in the text.

I can't believe people are ok with the way this woman was treated! Like a PP, this is Just another reason why I cannot and will not return to the Catholic Church. She did it to "goad" the priest?! Seriously?! And he declined to perform the graveside service? What is wrong with people?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Church allows gay parishioners, but when it comes to communion, it is a different story.
I am Afric. Am. and when Mormons were not allowing non White priests, I did not feel that it was any of my business. Sure, if they asked ME, I would say it was wrong, but other than that, it was none of my business.
Agree that protest is OK, but they have the right to be Catholic and do things their way. I know that there are TONS of gay priests and nuns, but again, none of my business.

Yeah, and were you ever looking for a job in Utah? How'd you like to work for a Mormon boss in a heavily Mormon company knowing how they felt about blacks. Still none of your business?

Mormons do not believe this anymore. It was an old belief that has since changed. There are Black Mormons now, btw. I have met a few. I certainly do not understand why they will still join with a history like that but hey, whatever, logic doesn't have a place with religion does it?!

The Catholic Church really doesn't seem to care about their image. They do what they have always done. If you don't agree, don't join, but I doubt you're going to change any church doctrine.

Anonymous wrote:Pedophiles priests get communion, and even transferred to other parishes where they can continue their child rape. Homosexuals in committed, loving relationships get denied communion at their parent's funeral.

I don't really mind any of this, but when these monstrous dysfunctional bullies start trying to influence public policy in favor of their bullshit, that is when I get angry. Their moral compass is clearly severely damaged and they would do well to try to bring their own house in order.

So are all Priests pedophiles? Any known pedophiles should get the same treatment in regards to communion as this woman. Should I say all gays are pedophiles because sandusky is one?

Pedophiles priests get communion, and even transferred to other parishes where they can continue their child rape. Homosexuals in committed, loving relationships get denied communion at their parent's funeral.

I don't really mind any of this, but when these monstrous dysfunctional bullies start trying to influence public policy in favor of their bullshit, that is when I get angry. Their moral compass is clearly severely damaged and they would do well to try to bring their own house in order.

Anonymous wrote:This woman's problem is that she selected the wrong sin. If only she had assigned known pedophiles to work with children like Cardinal Law, she would have been fine. Maybe she should become a nun as I am sure all the homosexual priests and lesbian nuns get communion even though they live with members of the same sex.

Signed,

Former Catholic

Cosigned

Anonymous wrote:She was trying to goad the priest. Serves her right.

Unbelievable. The Priest also left the alter while the woman gave the eulogy for her mother. Is that also a part of Catholic policy? To refuse to stand at the alter while a lesbian eulogizes her mother?

And how about all the people in that church who took communion and use birth control, or have or are committing adultery, or have been previously divorced, etc, etc....

But taking aside the communion issue, why is it okay for the priest to refuse to stand on the alter while she talks? Or to refuse to follow the family to the grave site? This was not okay. Unbelievable behavior.

This woman's problem is that she selected the wrong sin. If only she had assigned known pedophiles to work with children like Cardinal Law, she would have been fine. Maybe she should become a nun as I am sure all the homosexual priests and lesbian nuns get communion even though they live with members of the same sex.

Signed,

Former Catholic

Wow. Talk about a lack of compassion. I could see if it were just a typical Mass, but to humiliate her that way at her mother's funeral mass? And to add insult to injury he didn't even show up grave side.

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Anonymous wrote:wow, where is the love? this woman was at her mother's funeral. this action just reeks of a lack of compassion, which i think would be counter to what God would want.

i seriously doubt this woman was taking a stand at her mother's funeral. have some compassion.

My thoughts as well. Having gone through the loss of both parents and my FIL, I can't imagine that politics were entering into her thoughts.

And based on the fact that the archdiocese apparently felt she should have been given Communion, maybe she is used to getting communion at her home church. I'm not Catholic but I haven't heard any stories about churches hanging big signs saying "no practicing homosexuals may receive communion." For that matter, if the priest found out that she was living with a boyfriend and not married to him, would he have also denied her Communion then? I bet not.