Anonymous wrote:We get it. You people hate Christians especially Catholics. In your ideal world you would have a country with no Christianity. This is sort of typical of the modern liberal, profess to be very tolerant and open minded except about things they disagree with. So go ahead and enjoy putting people of faith down and trying to force your view of morality down our throats while screaming tolerance.

Christians and Catholics are not the same thing. I am a Christian and proudly so. I also have no issues in general with the Catholic Church and, in fact, was married in one. But "The Church" should be more concerned about its own moral failings, which are not insignificant these days. Instead, "The Church" is pushing its own power hungry agenda onto others. Lets be real. The Obama Administration has substantially increased funding to "The Church." "The Church" is actively recruiting other Christians to its fold, even allowing married priests. 'The Church" opposes abortion (an understandable position that I happen to disagree with), but ignores the death penalty (which has no justification other than revenge). "The Church" wants substantial USG money, does not want to comply with laws that other USG grantees comply with, and wants to make its dogma the law in the US. One would think that, given the recent scandals, the Bishops' Conference would spend substantial effort cleaning hou

In his complaint about environmentalists, Santorum says they put the earth above man, whereas he says God made man the steward of the planet, not its servant. In fact, environmentalists believe precisely that man is the steward of the planet, and is therefore responsible for its well-being. To Santorum, steward seems to mean exploiter.

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Anonymous wrote:IF you're not going to offer contraception coverage to your employees because of your beliefs, that's fine. But in that case you have to give up your government subsidies.

Thats stupid so if the government mandates something that is against your religon and is not a mandatory part of the law or conflicts with another the law don't question it?

It is not against the Catholic religion to provide others with birth control. The sin is in taking it yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:Can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

As in, if the Catholic Church wants to play politics, it can't then cry foul when people play right back.

-signed a liberal Catholic

Secular religions - Democratic Liberalism, Communism, Fascism, Nazism, Socialism

You can try to combine liberal with Catholicism but you will molest both beliefs in attempt to blend them. It's like trying to put the square shape in the round hole.

You are so very wrong. The heart of Catholicsm is personal conscience. You are not responsible for the sins of others. Which is why I'm so very annoyed that the Catholic leadership is inserting itself into the homes of non-Catholics through political discourse.

Just want to say that...

Democratic Liberalism...[is] universal, prescriptive, and total. [It] provide[s] recipes, rules, and norms regarding every aspect of existence - individual, social, cultural, moral, economic, political, military, and philosophical.

Is one of the more unintentionally hilarious things I've read on DCUM. Presumably this was written (and quoted) by a social conservative "dittohead" of some sort.

Great stuff!

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Anonymous wrote:We get it. You people hate Christians especially Catholics. In your ideal world you would have a country with no Christianity. This is sort of typical of the modern liberal, profess to be very tolerant and open minded except about things they disagree with. So go ahead and enjoy putting people of faith down and trying to force your view of morality down our throats while screaming tolerance.

It's not really an issue of tolerance. I think the difference here is that liberals put the Constitution ahead of religion when it comes to the governmental creation, interpretation, and enforcement of public policy. Conservatives will take their respective religion over the Constitution any day.

liberal is your religon

Yeah, right. Actually, Islam is my religion. Now read my statement again.

http://samvak.tripod.com/islam.html

So this guy on your link wrote:

"Christian fundamentalists have more in common with Muslim militants than with East Coast or French intellectuals."

On this we can agree.

This group of people have made it their sole mission to ban everything they feel that isn't "good" for you or the planet?

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Anonymous wrote:We get it. You people hate Christians especially Catholics. In your ideal world you would have a country with no Christianity. This is sort of typical of the modern liberal, profess to be very tolerant and open minded except about things they disagree with. So go ahead and enjoy putting people of faith down and trying to force your view of morality down our throats while screaming tolerance.

It's not really an issue of tolerance. I think the difference here is that liberals put the Constitution ahead of religion when it comes to the governmental creation, interpretation, and enforcement of public policy. Conservatives will take their respective religion over the Constitution any day.

liberal is your religon

Yeah, right. Actually, Islam is my religion. Now read my statement again.

http://samvak.tripod.com/islam.html

So this guy on your link wrote:

"Christian fundamentalists have more in common with Muslim militants than with East Coast or French intellectuals."

On this we can agree.

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Anonymous wrote:Can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

As in, if the Catholic Church wants to play politics, it can't then cry foul when people play right back.

-signed a liberal Catholic

Secular religions - Democratic Liberalism, Communism, Fascism, Nazism, Socialism

You can try to combine liberal with Catholicism but you will molest both beliefs in attempt to blend them. It's like trying to put the square shape in the round hole.

Just to provide the full quote from your cray-cray website link:

Secular religions - Democratic Liberalism, Communism, Fascism, Nazism, Socialism and other isms - are more akin to Islam than to, let's say, Buddhism. They are universal, prescriptive, and total. They provide recipes, rules, and norms regarding every aspect of existence - individual, social, cultural, moral, economic, political, military, and philosophical.

Good stuff!

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Anonymous wrote:IF you're not going to offer contraception coverage to your employees because of your beliefs, that's fine. But in that case you have to give up your government subsidies.

Thats stupid so if the government mandates something that is against your religon and is not a mandatory part of the law or conflicts with another the law don't question it?

Anonymous wrote:Can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

As in, if the Catholic Church wants to play politics, it can't then cry foul when people play right back.

-signed a liberal Catholic

Secular religions - Democratic Liberalism, Communism, Fascism, Nazism, Socialism

You can try to combine liberal with Catholicism but you will molest both beliefs in attempt to blend them. It's like trying to put the square shape in the round hole.

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Anonymous wrote:We get it. You people hate Christians especially Catholics. In your ideal world you would have a country with no Christianity. This is sort of typical of the modern liberal, profess to be very tolerant and open minded except about things they disagree with. So go ahead and enjoy putting people of faith down and trying to force your view of morality down our throats while screaming tolerance.

It's not really an issue of tolerance. I think the difference here is that liberals put the Constitution ahead of religion when it comes to the governmental creation, interpretation, and enforcement of public policy. Conservatives will take their respective religion over the Constitution any day.

liberal is your religon

Yeah, right. Actually, Islam is my religion. Now read my statement again.

http://samvak.tripod.com/islam.html

Yep, the problem is cultural conservatives want to dictate how people live their lives. Rather than stick to matters of the soul, the largest of the organized religions have essentially turned into huge tax-free Super PACs and aligned themselves with a right-wing partisan agenda.

As the saying goes, "politics ain't bean-bag" (whatever that means). Sorry, you don't get to climb down into the muck of partisan politics, doing your damnedest to legislate your moral code on everyone, then the second you get pushback, put your lacy hankie to your lips and cry foul.

It's funny how the larger the religious institution gets, the more political power it craves, and the more it inserts itself into the process. If you're in Saudi Arabia, the Muslims want to write the laws according to Islam. And the Christians are meek and quiet--after all there's an injunction to "render unto Ceasar".

Turn the tables, and in the US, the conservative Christians want to implement their own version of sharia, and the Muslims just want to be left alone.

Either way, bullying behavior by the "over-dog" is inevitable.

But to the subject of the thread, there's no requirement to be tolerant of intolerance.

Can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

As in, if the Catholic Church wants to play politics, it can't then cry foul when people play right back.

-signed a liberal Catholic

IF you're not going to offer contraception coverage to your employees because of your beliefs, that's fine. But in that case you have to give up your government subsidies.

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Anonymous wrote:We get it. You people hate Christians especially Catholics. In your ideal world you would have a country with no Christianity. This is sort of typical of the modern liberal, profess to be very tolerant and open minded except about things they disagree with. So go ahead and enjoy putting people of faith down and trying to force your view of morality down our throats while screaming tolerance.

It's not really an issue of tolerance. I think the difference here is that liberals put the Constitution ahead of religion when it comes to the governmental creation, interpretation, and enforcement of public policy. Conservatives will take their respective religion over the Constitution any day.

liberal is your religon

Yeah, right. Actually, Islam is my religion. Now read my statement again.