Anonymous
02/09/2012 12:14
Subject: Re:republican war on contraception
well I am catholic and I can say that my friends and I would disagree with your generalization about what Catholics will do.Anonymous wrote:Dear Republicans,
You are being played like a violin. The Dems are teeing up contraception because they know that most Americans, including American Catholics, believe in it. This causes the pro-lifers to go apeshit, forcing the GOP to address the issue. And in an election where the frontrunner will do virtually anything to prove his conservative credentials, he will take the bait.
That in turn loses you a lot of votes. And in return it gains you nothing, because you already have the wackadoodle vote.
Wake up. All we need to do is get you riled up about birth control and immigration and everything else you hate, and we get another 4 years in office.
Wrong. This is not about actual contraception usage or access to it. This is about religious institutions being told by liberal extremists what they can or cannot do - a blatent attack on religious freedom in this country. If you think the GOP, conservatives, or even Catholics will see it any other way you are missing the boat. This will not play well for Obama. Moreover, this spokespersons are already stating that they're "looking for a way to find compromise" on this issue because his own democrats who actually supported Obamacare based on his representations in a Presidential Order that he would not touch the contraception issue are also giving him heat. Not good for him at all.
takoma
02/09/2012 10:29
Subject: Re:republican war on contraception
Anonymous wrote:So - does it matter that 20+ states already have this law, including MA under RomneyCare?
The First Amendment applies to the states, so at least for those who argue that the law violates religious freedom, that is relevant.
Anonymous
02/09/2012 09:36
Subject: Re:republican war on contraception
Anonymous wrote:That is not the issue, the issue is that Obama wants to take away the rights of a private institution, it just happens that they don't endorse contraception, what right will he try to take away next?
This guy wants to re-write the constitution bit by bit-
PP, you're exactly right; that is the real issue here.
So - does it matter that 20+ states already have this law, including MA under RomneyCare?
jsteele
02/09/2012 09:18
Subject: Re:republican war on contraception
I'm just waiting for some Native Americans to open a restaurant in DC selling peyote brownies. Then, they can claim their religious rights are being violated if the government tries to interfere.
TheManWithAUsername
02/09/2012 08:50
Subject: republican war on contraception
But this isn't about principle. If this weren't a popular religion, we wouldn't be talking about the issue. (Well, we'll always talk about whatever Faux tells us to talk about.)
Re the 1st A, while it's very important on the whole, the free exercise clause as applied to collateral effects on worship (as opposed to intentional interference) is one of the least important aspects. Our governments inadvertently interfere with our private lives in all kinds of ways.
Re the 1st A, while it's very important on the whole, the free exercise clause as applied to collateral effects on worship (as opposed to intentional interference) is one of the least important aspects. Our governments inadvertently interfere with our private lives in all kinds of ways.
takoma
02/09/2012 08:22
Subject: republican war on contraception
Even though I think the decision is correct, I think the First Amendment is important enough that there should be discussion and negotiation to see if there is a way to accomplish the goal without making people feel their religious beliefs are not respected. That seems to be what Axelrod suggested.
TheManWithAUsername
02/09/2012 08:20
Subject: republican war on contraception
Let's never forget what's important here: how much of our public policy should be dictated by a fanciful historical novel written millennia ago by virtually unknown authors.
Lesser issues - domestic and global hunger, our physical security from foreign and domestic threats, the education of our children - will just have to wait until this is resolved.
Priority two, also before those: Will the Christian corporate representatives who run our country wear "Ds" or "Rs" on their jerseys?
Lesser issues - domestic and global hunger, our physical security from foreign and domestic threats, the education of our children - will just have to wait until this is resolved.
Priority two, also before those: Will the Christian corporate representatives who run our country wear "Ds" or "Rs" on their jerseys?
Anonymous
02/09/2012 07:20
Subject: Re:republican war on contraception
Dear Republicans,
You are being played like a violin. The Dems are teeing up contraception because they know that most Americans, including American Catholics, believe in it. This causes the pro-lifers to go apeshit, forcing the GOP to address the issue. And in an election where the frontrunner will do virtually anything to prove his conservative credentials, he will take the bait.
That in turn loses you a lot of votes. And in return it gains you nothing, because you already have the wackadoodle vote.
Wake up. All we need to do is get you riled up about birth control and immigration and everything else you hate, and we get another 4 years in office.
Wrong. This is not about actual contraception usage or access to it. This is about religious institutions being told by liberal extremists what they can or cannot do - a blatent attack on religious freedom in this country. If you think the GOP, conservatives, or even Catholics will see it any other way you are missing the boat. This will not play well for Obama. Moreover, this spokespersons are already stating that they're "looking for a way to find compromise" on this issue because his own democrats who actually supported Obamacare based on his representations in a Presidential Order that he would not touch the contraception issue are also giving him heat. Not good for him at all.
Anonymous
02/09/2012 01:11
Subject: republican war on contraception
if these "private institutions" receive one iota of public funding, they should be held accountable. give up your funding otherwise.
Anonymous
02/09/2012 00:54
Subject: republican war on contraception
Dear Republicans,
You are being played like a violin. The Dems are teeing up contraception because they know that most Americans, including American Catholics, believe in it. This causes the pro-lifers to go apeshit, forcing the GOP to address the issue. And in an election where the frontrunner will do virtually anything to prove his conservative credentials, he will take the bait.
That in turn loses you a lot of votes. And in return it gains you nothing, because you already have the wackadoodle vote.
Wake up. All we need to do is get you riled up about birth control and immigration and everything else you hate, and we get another 4 years in office.
You are being played like a violin. The Dems are teeing up contraception because they know that most Americans, including American Catholics, believe in it. This causes the pro-lifers to go apeshit, forcing the GOP to address the issue. And in an election where the frontrunner will do virtually anything to prove his conservative credentials, he will take the bait.
That in turn loses you a lot of votes. And in return it gains you nothing, because you already have the wackadoodle vote.
Wake up. All we need to do is get you riled up about birth control and immigration and everything else you hate, and we get another 4 years in office.
Anonymous
02/08/2012 21:41
Subject: republican war on contraception
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As I have in another forums, I have no idea why any health insurance should cover contraception or Viagra. I should not have to pay for someone else's sex life. Sorry.
Then look forward to paying for their kids' education, health care, incarceration....
Those deadbeats dont take/use their contraception as they are supposed to anyway. Whether we pay for their pill or whatever, we can still look forward to paying for their kids education, health care and incarceration.
Anonymous
02/08/2012 18:51
Subject: republican war on contraception
Anonymous wrote:As I have in another forums, I have no idea why any health insurance should cover contraception or Viagra. I should not have to pay for someone else's sex life. Sorry.
Then look forward to paying for their kids' education, health care, incarceration....
TheManWithAUsername
02/08/2012 18:44
Subject: republican war on contraception
Anonymous wrote:As I have in another forums, I have no idea why any health insurance should cover contraception or Viagra. I should not have to pay for someone else's sex life. Sorry.
No need to apologize; no one is seeking agreement from someone as unthinking as you.
Anonymous
02/08/2012 18:36
Subject: republican war on contraception
As I have in another forums, I have no idea why any health insurance should cover contraception or Viagra. I should not have to pay for someone else's sex life. Sorry.
Anonymous
02/08/2012 13:50
Subject: republican war on contraception
I'm curious, should this Hasidic-run public bus service be allowed to force women to--literally--sit in the back of the bus?
http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/riddle-me-this
http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/riddle-me-this