Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've posted on threads before about not encouraging my DD to drink juice and have gotten completely flamed for it.

Sorry, but I'll stick with giving DD an organic, pesticide-free apple versus an arsenic laced Mott's juice box.

For all the flamers who said 'Ugh, grow up! Juice isn't poison!!!'. Well, yeah, there you have it.

I was one of the "juice isn't poison" posters. We don't do much of it, and we squeeze our own juice when we do. So yeah, still not poison. But thanks for your weird happiness at the thought that I might have been poisoning my kids. That's really nice.

You totally misread the PP. I don't see any gloating about people poisoning their kids in the PP's post. She just said that to those who rudely dismissed her beliefs about juice, there's now evidence that her claims are valid.

Her claims are not valid. Juice is not poison, there are some types of juice that have some issues with it. That's like saying: I don't feed my kids food because its bad. No, some types of food is bad.

But, just like with everything, some people are stupid and paint a big generic brush. PP above is one.

Anonymous wrote:The arsenic is not coming from the seeds, at least not at the levels that cause concern. Arsenic can be used as a pesticide, I think (not in the US legally, but not sure). Lead is in the air and soil in many countries. What this says is the fruit is being grown in environmental contamination, and probably sprayed with some ugly stuff. It isn't the seeds.

It depends what type of arsenic is in the levels.

Arsenic is found naturally in water, air, food, and soil. Arsenic can be "organic" or "inorganic." According to the FDA organic arsenic is essentially harmless and passes through the body quickly. Inorganic arsenic - often found in pesticides - can be toxic and studies have linked it to cancer.

Anonymous wrote:

I'd also like to get away from the sniping, and ask, what about school? I don't buy juice for home, but my daughter gets one or two juice boxes (Apple & Eve (Fruitables?) 100% juice) every day at school.

I'm in the same boat. We never do juice at home, but DD gets juice at preschool almost every other day. I hate this, but I would also hate to be known as the "pain in the butt, anti-juice fanatic". I wish there was a way to approach this with the schools!

Anonymous wrote:I've posted on threads before about not encouraging my DD to drink juice and have gotten completely flamed for it.

Sorry, but I'll stick with giving DD an organic, pesticide-free apple versus an arsenic laced Mott's juice box.

For all the flamers who said 'Ugh, grow up! Juice isn't poison!!!'. Well, yeah, there you have it.

So what you're saying here is, I'm happy that mothers who give their children juice may accidently be getting them sick..

Karma is a bitch lady.

Oh, and by the way, I'm sure one day you'll accidently get the cyinide in the Tylenol bottle. I'm sure no one will be crying for you. Bitch.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:okay, flame me, my kids like juice, they like juice boxes

so, which brands are safe? I know Trader Joes tries to avoid imported products from China...

Me too. What to do?

I'd also like to get away from the sniping, and ask, what about school? I don't buy juice for home, but my daughter gets one or two juice boxes (Apple & Eve (Fruitables?) 100% juice) every day at school.

Anonymous wrote:okay, flame me, my kids like juice, they like juice boxes

so, which brands are safe? I know Trader Joes tries to avoid imported products from China...

Me too. What to do?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am certainly not an anti juice, anti treats person, and we eat our fair share of McDonalds. However, I always read the labels and avoid food that come from China.

Those particular apple juices import apples from China. A family member travels there regularly, and says that the areas visited have destroyed their ecosystems.

Based on that person's experience and annecdotes, I absolutely avoid any food products from China.

The article didn't say that Chinese apples were the source of aresenic contamination - in fact it specifically mentioned Washington apples as being problematic.

Agreed. From what I can tell from those lists, those who rely on Chinese apples seem to actually have lower levels of arsenic.

okay, flame me, my kids like juice, they like juice boxes

so, which brands are safe? I know Trader Joes tries to avoid imported products from China...

“we are finding problems with some Washington state apples, not because of irresponsible farming practices now but because lead-arsenate pesticides that were used here decades ago remain in the soil,” says Denise Wilson, Ph.D., an associate professor at the University of Washington who has tested apple juices and discovered elevated arsenic levels even in brands labeled organic.


It sounds like the arsenic comes from the pesticides that were used.

Anonymous wrote:I am certainly not an anti juice, anti treats person, and we eat our fair share of McDonalds. However, I always read the labels and avoid food that come from China.

Those particular apple juices import apples from China. A family member travels there regularly, and says that the areas visited have destroyed their ecosystems.

Based on that person's experience and annecdotes, I absolutely avoid any food products from China.

The article didn't say that Chinese apples were the source of aresenic contamination - in fact it specifically mentioned Washington apples as being problematic.

The arsenic is not coming from the seeds, at least not at the levels that cause concern. Arsenic can be used as a pesticide, I think (not in the US legally, but not sure). Lead is in the air and soil in many countries. What this says is the fruit is being grown in environmental contamination, and probably sprayed with some ugly stuff. It isn't the seeds.

A lot of other juices contain apple juice as filler. You ever drink real canberry juice? Read the back of the bottle. If the arsenic is coming from the seeds, the juice can still be organic.

Anonymous wrote:
Many foods labeled 'organic' come from China, too.

You're right. I think we need to push more for our grocers to tell us where the fruit is coming from. I really make an effort to shop at grocers that tell me where the produce is from, but who knows, I guess they could be lying too. It's very frustrating. I hope that as more people become aware of these kinds of issues, more people will call for action.

Anonymous wrote:I've posted on threads before about not encouraging my DD to drink juice and have gotten completely flamed for it.

Sorry, but I'll stick with giving DD an organic, pesticide-free apple versus an arsenic laced Mott's juice box.

For all the flamers who said 'Ugh, grow up! Juice isn't poison!!!'. Well, yeah, there you have it.

Many foods labeled 'organic' come from China, too.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've posted on threads before about not encouraging my DD to drink juice and have gotten completely flamed for it.

Sorry, but I'll stick with giving DD an organic, pesticide-free apple versus an arsenic laced Mott's juice box.

For all the flamers who said 'Ugh, grow up! Juice isn't poison!!!'. Well, yeah, there you have it.

I was one of the "juice isn't poison" posters. We don't do much of it, and we squeeze our own juice when we do. So yeah, still not poison. But thanks for your weird happiness at the thought that I might have been poisoning my kids. That's really nice.

You totally misread the PP. I don't see any gloating about people poisoning their kids in the PP's post. She just said that to those who rudely dismissed her beliefs about juice, there's now evidence that her claims are valid.