takoma
Post 09/21/2011 22:17     Subject: At what point to Democrats give up on Obama?
Probably nobody cares, but since I have been promoting the use of names, I should mention that 22:14 was me, having forgotten to sign in.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2011 22:14     Subject: At what point to Democrats give up on Obama?
How about the question "Would I be better off if McCain had been elected?"

My answer is (a) I suspect the economy would probably not be much different, since it's a world-wide problem, and (b) SCOTUS would be a catastrophe.

So, while I don't think Obama has been great, I don't see anyone on the horizon that I would like to see replace him.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2011 16:42     Subject: Re:At what point to Democrats give up on Obama?
Anonymous wrote:
are you insane? first, that is a very narrow way to look at a president's effectiveness since so much of what happens to the economy is outside of his/her control.


But wait, I thought that the terrible economy was all Bush's fault. Isn't that what the democrats have been saying for years?

Also why is Debbie Wasserman Schultz saying that the Democrats own the economy and that it is getting better?

Democrats are ready to take responsibility for the state of the economy and they deserve credit for putting it on the right track, the party’s chairwoman, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, said on Wednesday.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/57025.html


Please tell me again, who is insane here?





it is insane to think most Americans would answer "Yes, I am better off now" to the question: Are you better off now or in 2008? That is what I was replying to, dipshit.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2011 15:10     Subject: Re:At what point to Democrats give up on Obama?
are you insane? first, that is a very narrow way to look at a president's effectiveness since so much of what happens to the economy is outside of his/her control.


But wait, I thought that the terrible economy was all Bush's fault. Isn't that what the democrats have been saying for years?

Also why is Debbie Wasserman Schultz saying that the Democrats own the economy and that it is getting better?

Democrats are ready to take responsibility for the state of the economy and they deserve credit for putting it on the right track, the party’s chairwoman, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, said on Wednesday.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/57025.html


Please tell me again, who is insane here?



Anonymous
Post 09/21/2011 14:16     Subject: At what point to Democrats give up on Obama?
Anonymous wrote:
I think the tipping point for democrats and Obama is medicare and social security cuts. If those programs go, then what is the point of having democrats. My main problem with Obama is how doesn't even put up a fight against the wingnuts. I at least want a fair debate, but the debate never happens. He wants to have a rational negotiation, but the other side's objective is not to help the country, but to tear him down.


This is how I feel as well.

And vehemently disagree with the OP's statement that it's "all political with this guy"...I find that the opposite to be true. I see a man putting his head down and trying to lead despite in an economic shitter and trying to make one concession after another to a group of Republicans whose sole intent is to bring him down.

As the poster I quote above said..."what is the point of having democrats?" That makes me sad.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2011 13:21     Subject: At what point to Democrats give up on Obama?
^^ Me again!!! My house has gone down 20% and unemployment in my state is terrible. Maybe it's all sunshine and roses for you in DC, but the rest of us are suffering. What an ignorant comment. Do you really think the rest of us are better off since 2008?!!! Open your eyes.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2011 13:14     Subject: At what point to Democrats give up on Obama?
Me again- And to reply to the question. I'm actually worse off since 2008. Much worse.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2011 13:13     Subject: At what point to Democrats give up on Obama?
I already gave up. Voted DEM ever since I could vote, voted for Obama... Then voted Republican in the last election. Will vote against Obama in 2012 as well.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2011 13:04     Subject: At what point to Democrats give up on Obama?
Anonymous wrote:Bush II oversaw a net decline in private sector employment. Now that state/local governments are making cuts, the overall employment picture STINKS.

What assurance do I have that slashing taxes, etc., will lead to private employers starting up hiring again? It sure as fuck didn't happen under Bush II, and isn't happening now (where we're still at the Bush II tax rates.)


Dude, it will totally lead private employers to jack up hiring...just NOT HERE! They'll take the money and reinvest it in China or Brazil or India where demand is high (not like in this dump) and labor is cheap. Who needs the US anyway?
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2011 12:57     Subject: At what point to Democrats give up on Obama?
Anonymous wrote:People will just stay home on election day. Get ready for Perry!


I thought you said it was Palin, then Bachmann, then Romney?

Why is your favorite candidate always the one you know least about at the time?
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2011 12:02     Subject: Re:At what point to Democrats give up on Obama?
Anonymous wrote:
Of course the democrats will not give up on Obama.

Ask yourself honestly, are you better off now compared to 2008? I think that any honest person who has not been brainwashed by Fox News will have to answer, "Yes."

Look at all the promises that Obama has made and kept and the progress that he is making,..

He has gotten us cheap affordable health care, is actively pulling us out of Bush's two disastrous wars and has repaired our sullied international reputation, is saving the economy, is investing in Green Energy, has dramatically cut back on the corrupt crony capitalism that was rampant under Bush and is cutting back on all of the terrible 911 civil right violations like the fascist Patriot Act and he will soon close Gitmo.

And, lately he has been moving back to his true progressive roots. The country will soon rally around him. The Repubs don't have a chance...


This is nuts. I raised money for Obama and volunteered for his campaign, and I don't think the answer is yes for most people. My family is better off only because we were poor postdocs in '08. Most I know are worse off. "Are you better off?" isn'teven the right question. There are many disappointed progressives out there (I am one) and getting them to the polls (especially the youngest voters) will be a real challenge.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2011 11:49     Subject: At what point to Democrats give up on Obama?
People will just stay home on election day. Get ready for Perry!
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2011 11:21     Subject: Re:At what point to Democrats give up on Obama?
Anonymous wrote:
Of course the democrats will not give up on Obama.

Ask yourself honestly, are you better off now compared to 2008? I think that any honest person who has not been brainwashed by Fox News will have to answer, "Yes."



are you insane? first, that is a very narrow way to look at a president's effectiveness since so much of what happens to the economy is outside of his/her control. But just answering your question, most americans would of course say "no". what was the unemployment rate in 2008? what were homes worth in 2008? what was the federal debt in 2008? what was the US bond rating in 2008? come on.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2011 08:04     Subject: At what point to Democrats give up on Obama?
Bush II oversaw a net decline in private sector employment. Now that state/local governments are making cuts, the overall employment picture STINKS.

What assurance do I have that slashing taxes, etc., will lead to private employers starting up hiring again? It sure as fuck didn't happen under Bush II, and isn't happening now (where we're still at the Bush II tax rates.)
TheManWithAUsername
Post 09/21/2011 07:54     Subject: Re:At what point to Democrats give up on Obama?
Anonymous wrote:Ask yourself honestly, are you better off now compared to 2008? I think that any honest person who has not been brainwashed by Fox News will have to answer, "Yes."

That's an extremely narrow view. Personally, I'm better off, but I'm anxious about what's going to happen with the federal budget in the next few years and how that will affect us here, and that has a lot to do with his failures/bad policies.

Maybe everyone you know is better off, too. But there are many millions who are worse off, who have lost their jobs or who have suffered in unemployment for those years. To say that they're all lying or brainwashed is beyond unfair and very callous.