Also, when faced with real world problems, where the people have to think creatively, my experience, is a disproportionate number of these children fail. Basically, they are very good at doing the problems handed to them, but they are not so good at coming up with their own creative ideas. So the tiger mom's child might make a great technician, but will not be a true leader in the field. There is a reason why American scientists are the best. And the truly inovative ideas come from America...

Also, when faced with real world problems, where the people have to think creatively, my experience, is a disproportionate number of these children fail. Basically, they are very good at doing the problems handed to them, but they are not so good at coming up with their own creative ideas. So the tiger mom's child might make a great technician, but will not be a true leader in the field. There is a reason why American scientists are the best. And the truly inovative ideas come from America...

This is Romper Room compared to the programs of the Japanese, Chinese, Korean and many European systems where main stream kids this age are in school 6 days a week and studying English as a second language.

Google "Asian teen suicide rate" and see what you find. It's not all sunshine and roses.

http://www.findcounseling.com/help/news/2007/05/suicide_rates_highest_among_young_asianamerican_women_1.html

Anonymous wrote:I feel bad for the child of the 'tiger mom' who is being coached for the wisc. What pressure on a 7 year old. And is she scores well and gets in - then what. How will she feel when other children outpace her.

Tiger mom's kids will understand how to be prepared for a test or any of the other hurdles presented in life. They will see how competitive life is, and mature more quickly (its a fact and the advanced kids we are talking about here can handle it). Teaching your child how to be organized, prepared, and focused will lead to more success in a rigorous program, not less. People on this board cannot seem to get it, some kids are more inherently smart. Others have significant skills that can be honed to top form through hard work. Look at athletes for example, some superstars dog it and coast, whereas the "grinders" (like Rudy in the Notre Dame Movie) succeed from drive and dispite perseverance having lesser God given skill. I applaud the tiger moms for teaching the importance of hard work and preparation to thier kids as means to achieve success in academics. Too many fear that any "pressure" will result in their 7 year old being scarred for life. They are not made of glass. This is Romper Room compared to the programs of the Japanese, Chinese, Korean and many European systems where main stream kids this age are in school 6 days a week and studying English as a second language. The pathetic rank of the US in school in achievement versus these countries is evidence that we don't work the kids hard enough. Look at the ethnic makeup of TJ and you make the conclusion if the "culture and home value on education" does not influence as to which kids succeed.

Someday your kid will be calling the Tiger Mom's kid "boss".

Anonymous wrote:I feel bad for the child of the 'tiger mom' who is being coached for the wisc. What pressure on a 7 year old. And is she scores well and gets in - then what. How will she feel when other children outpace her.

Not for you to worry about as tiger mom's kids will not be outpaced. Tiger mom's kids are anything but a straight A student. Just my observation from my DD's AAP classroom.

I feel bad for the child of the 'tiger mom' who is being coached for the wisc. What pressure on a 7 year old. And is she scores well and gets in - then what. How will she feel when other children outpace her.

It never occurred to me to coach my DD....I think I could have gotten her in the pool with coaching....

We parental referred and classroom performance got her in. She is in her first year of AAP....has finished the Harry Potter series....she has turned into a book worm.

But getting into the pool is step one. Prepping gives a child the best chance to score high, and get into the pool. From there, grades and GBRS scores become important for admission, no doubt. However, as stated on this board, very high CoGats and Nagli. can overcome a moderate GBRS score. Remember, this is not about "coaching" or "prepping" a child with an 80 IQ to a 130 level (one who would clearly not have the grades or the GBRS scores to be admitted), but rather coaching a child who may be borderline into a better position. Don't be mislead, admissions for borderline kids swing on several points. I think you would be surprised as to how many kids are coached before the tests, and most that I know have now qualified. One other is taking the WISC next week and I know her "tiger" mom is working with her DD what to expect in each subsection.

21:25: You are the reason (personally) why kids with low GBRS and high CogAT's are not admitted. IT is possible to train the kids on how to take tests. This has nothing to do with any learning ability, but rather test taking strategies.

What the central committee is looking for is any child that is potentially advanced academically. Since the test scores can be manipulated (you infer that) by tiger moms, that becomes less of an indicator of ability than one would ideally like. That is why we have GBRS.

WISC IV is less biased, but if you trained a child, I bet you could cook the score. Cooking the score does not help intelligence.

Test prep for the SAT's can help you get admitted to college, but will not help you in differential equations. This is why colleges do not just rely on SAT's.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. Im so proud of my DD for getting in to aap all on her own. We didnt even know when the testing was held, nor what tests were being given. Now I have no worries that she belongs at a center and is able to be successful on her own.

Your prepped kids...not so much. But you must be proud to know that you helped your child get a leg up into a program that they might not have qualified for on their own. Congratulations!

Try doing that for SATs too. Dont prepare. Maybe your kid will do well in SAT without preparing and get into one of those rare med programs.

Nice

Anonymous wrote:Wow. Im so proud of my DD for getting in to aap all on her own. We didnt even know when the testing was held, nor what tests were being given. Now I have no worries that she belongs at a center and is able to be successful on her own.

Your prepped kids...not so much. But you must be proud to know that you helped your child get a leg up into a program that they might not have qualified for on their own. Congratulations!

Try doing that for SATs too. Dont prepare. Maybe your kid will do well in SAT without preparing and get into one of those rare med programs.

Anonymous wrote:13:38 here. Thanks posters. My child's scores were very close to yours. NNAT 130 and CogAT 115-121. GBRS 12. What I thought were good work samples and recommendations. I felt like we were right on the cusp, and I think this confirms it. We did WISC, which we are submitting on appeal, which shows an IQ of 130. Guess we're still on the cusp on appeal! Wish us luck!

We are on the same boat too, taking the WISC next week, have to see how it goes.

Good Luck to you !!

13:38 here. Thanks posters. My child's scores were very close to yours. NNAT 130 and CogAT 115-121. GBRS 12. What I thought were good work samples and recommendations. I felt like we were right on the cusp, and I think this confirms it. We did WISC, which we are submitting on appeal, which shows an IQ of 130. Guess we're still on the cusp on appeal! Wish us luck!

to 13:38

nnat was 130
cogat off hand was comp 123 and the range was 117 to 123.

sorry if the initials are messed up

13:38

GBRS is high. I'm surprised that it kept your dc out of AAP.