PMSL Div D - 67 swimmers

Div 2 230 swimmers

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Anonymous wrote:I keep seeing a lot of posts where the size of a team matters. Where I’m from (large city, very large swim league, more teams than NVSL and MCSL), divisions are based on size of team and location. I’m not defending that approach, but it makes me wonder what size most of the teams are and whether this approach actually holds up in our leagues.

For kicks and giggles, can you share which league and division your team is in and how many swimmers you have on your team?

My team is NVSL Division 2 and we have about 200-215 that are eligible to swim in B meets (ie, not “pre-team” swimmers).

Nobody cares about the Atlanta league. If you like the NVSL, that league sucks.

I’m from Texas

Per SwimTopia this summer, the only league that has more teams than NVSL is the Atlanta league.

My mistake. I figure NWAL was about the same size or maybe bigger. It’s fully irrelevant except the question about team size and divisions.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I keep seeing a lot of posts where the size of a team matters. Where I’m from (large city, very large swim league, more teams than NVSL and MCSL), divisions are based on size of team and location. I’m not defending that approach, but it makes me wonder what size most of the teams are and whether this approach actually holds up in our leagues.

For kicks and giggles, can you share which league and division your team is in and how many swimmers you have on your team?

My team is NVSL Division 2 and we have about 200-215 that are eligible to swim in B meets (ie, not “pre-team” swimmers).

Nobody cares about the Atlanta league. If you like the NVSL, that league sucks.

I’m from Texas

Per SwimTopia this summer, the only league that has more teams than NVSL is the Atlanta league.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I keep seeing a lot of posts where the size of a team matters. Where I’m from (large city, very large swim league, more teams than NVSL and MCSL), divisions are based on size of team and location. I’m not defending that approach, but it makes me wonder what size most of the teams are and whether this approach actually holds up in our leagues.

For kicks and giggles, can you share which league and division your team is in and how many swimmers you have on your team?

My team is NVSL Division 2 and we have about 200-215 that are eligible to swim in B meets (ie, not “pre-team” swimmers).

Nobody cares about the Atlanta league. If you like the NVSL, that league sucks.

I’m from Texas

lol NVSL people have a weird insecurity thing about the Atlanta summer league.

It’s so weird! People from the ATL don’t give people from here a second thought unless they’re friends or family. They’ve never even heard of NVSL, and they certainly wouldn’t care.

our d4/d5 team only has ~140 swimmers but we make it work (with the occasional open lane)

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I keep seeing a lot of posts where the size of a team matters. Where I’m from (large city, very large swim league, more teams than NVSL and MCSL), divisions are based on size of team and location. I’m not defending that approach, but it makes me wonder what size most of the teams are and whether this approach actually holds up in our leagues.

For kicks and giggles, can you share which league and division your team is in and how many swimmers you have on your team?

My team is NVSL Division 2 and we have about 200-215 that are eligible to swim in B meets (ie, not “pre-team” swimmers).

Nobody cares about the Atlanta league. If you like the NVSL, that league sucks.

I’m from Texas

lol NVSL people have a weird insecurity thing about the Atlanta summer league.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I keep seeing a lot of posts where the size of a team matters. Where I’m from (large city, very large swim league, more teams than NVSL and MCSL), divisions are based on size of team and location. I’m not defending that approach, but it makes me wonder what size most of the teams are and whether this approach actually holds up in our leagues.

For kicks and giggles, can you share which league and division your team is in and how many swimmers you have on your team?

My team is NVSL Division 2 and we have about 200-215 that are eligible to swim in B meets (ie, not “pre-team” swimmers).

Nobody cares about the Atlanta league. If you like the NVSL, that league sucks.

I’m from Texas

Anonymous wrote:I keep seeing a lot of posts where the size of a team matters. Where I’m from (large city, very large swim league, more teams than NVSL and MCSL), divisions are based on size of team and location. I’m not defending that approach, but it makes me wonder what size most of the teams are and whether this approach actually holds up in our leagues.

For kicks and giggles, can you share which league and division your team is in and how many swimmers you have on your team?

My team is NVSL Division 2 and we have about 200-215 that are eligible to swim in B meets (ie, not “pre-team” swimmers).

Nobody cares about the Atlanta league. If you like the NVSL, that league sucks.

T, O, CB Have been able to sustain success because they are large facilities with large memberships, and there is no concern of losing good swimmers. The dearth of pools in the surrounding area gives them an advantage that almost no other pool has- everyone else can pick up and travel another 5 minutes to the next closest pool for any reason. Not so in that pocket.

Their waitlists and the rabid swim culture has spread so far to make KG relevant. Back in the day, KG was a rinky-dink starter pool, but demand has enabled that place to build itself up.

Anonymous wrote:Oh wow- I wish the NVSL would also adopt that virtual swim off method. It’s currently much more political than it should be.

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Can you explain please?

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]How big are the D1 teams as compared with D2 and D2? Are they similar? I know some fluctuate, but for teams that have been in D1 awhile, what are those sizes as compared with those who are consistently fluctuating or consistently in D2-3? This question marries the other poster’s question about coach payment.[/quote]

A number of the D1 teams have 250 to 400 kids on their teams. It is one of the reasons they dominate. Lots of swimmers, big bench.

I would say the top 3 divisions are at 200-250 swimmers - approximately.

Then you have teams like Fairfax that were high up because they have a group of incredibly talented swimmers but that group will age out and they will drop in the divisions. This will happen as well.[/quote]

It seems like having long waitlists would work against teams, but I think the swim culture in North Arlington and McLean keeps churning out talented swimmers. It seems the teams west of 66 (such as Fairfax, Old Keene Mill, Crosspointe, Orange Hunt, Little Rocky Run) benefit from big teams and/or membership availability, but somehow still don’t have the season-to-season depth. These teams often have the top PVS swimmers on their teams, but year-after-year, they don’t have 8-10 swimmers staggered across ages when their swimmers tend to be on their down year. On the flip side, talented swimmers aren’t riding the bench every other season.[/quote]

The massive D1 pools with supposed 10 year waitlists defy reality in their team makeup. Yet, somehow they always have enough young swimmers on their teams. You will hear of these teams parents knowing that they had to get on the waitlist five years prior to conception to land their spot on the team.
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Pretty sure there is only one d1 pool with a 10 year waitlist and it has impacted their 8&under depth.

NVSL D1-2, 200 swimmers, about 35 are club swimmers (zero 8Us are club swimmers)

NVSL
~75-85 swimmers not counting the pre-team members.

Oh wow- I wish the NVSL would also adopt that virtual swim off method. It’s currently much more political than it should be.