Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids with As and Bs are still getting into the schools you listed above.

false...no way into Northwestern, Dartmouth, or Penn.

I know multiple kids with multiple Bs at all of these schools (high school teacher).

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids with As and Bs are still getting into the schools you listed above.

false...no way into Northwestern, Dartmouth, or Penn.

Mine with a B is headed to HYP, from a public too. So I can just imagine not all kids headed to NU, Penn etc are straight A kids. I’m not sweating Bs with younger DCs.

The grade inflation is massive. What was a C+ when I started teaching almost 30 years ago is now an A-. And I am under enormous pressure to raise my grades. I have tried to fight it but it's futile, my administration has raised my grades after parents complained, even when I thoroughly documented everything. It's a joke and a shame.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are kids these days way smarter than kids of our generation? (80s-90s)
Every kid seems to have top scores and all As. Whereas, at my rigorous public high school in the mid-90s, regular bright well-rounded kids with As/Bs but not Einstein-level grades, were going to Northwestern, Dartmouth, UPenn, Wellesley, etc. I had strong but not exceptional grades and got into Vassar. Now it seems in order to get into a T30, you need all As and all APs. Am I missing something here? How is this happening? Did this generation produce geniuses?

When you went to college, there were a few dozen or so 1600 SAT scores. Now there are between 800-1400 perfect scores every year.

Grade inflation is pretty significant too.
A school in Long Island recently had 21 valedictorians who had straight A+ GPAs. The graduating class is about 300. More than 5% of the class is a valedictorian. Multiple valedictorians are pretty common these days.
There are a lot of trash AP classes now.
AP Calc BC is still rigorous as is AP Physics C-EM, AP US History but there are a lot of trash APs.

There are at most between 300-500 perfect 1600 scores.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are kids these days way smarter than kids of our generation? (80s-90s)
Every kid seems to have top scores and all As. Whereas, at my rigorous public high school in the mid-90s, regular bright well-rounded kids with As/Bs but not Einstein-level grades, were going to Northwestern, Dartmouth, UPenn, Wellesley, etc. I had strong but not exceptional grades and got into Vassar. Now it seems in order to get into a T30, you need all As and all APs. Am I missing something here? How is this happening? Did this generation produce geniuses?

The SAT is able to be studied for now, and there is grade inflation.

The SAT that you took is very different than the SAT that your kids take. Previously, you could get a small edge by doing SAT prep and memorizing vocab. But the logic sections, i.r. kitten:cat::puppy:dog are gone.

Also, 30+ years ago, majority of kids did NOT study for the SAT. The PSAT was your test prep, and maybe you spent a few hours with a SAT test prep book. But most kids were not spending 30-40 hours plus in intensive tutoring to prepare.

This is what needs to go. The only way to make a test like the SAT able to be studied while keeping fairness is how other countries do it- A) the test no longer tests for the average content of the average student but raises the bar to identify the best students ( a handful) across the entire nation (GaoKao or EJU are examples) B) the curriculum has to be reasonably nationalized unless you do a UK style system where secondary school follows some period of intense study and at the best schools you see interviews where they ask questions beyond the curriculum.

You’d essentially need to rebuild the entire k-12 system.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are kids these days way smarter than kids of our generation? (80s-90s)
Every kid seems to have top scores and all As. Whereas, at my rigorous public high school in the mid-90s, regular bright well-rounded kids with As/Bs but not Einstein-level grades, were going to Northwestern, Dartmouth, UPenn, Wellesley, etc. I had strong but not exceptional grades and got into Vassar. Now it seems in order to get into a T30, you need all As and all APs. Am I missing something here? How is this happening? Did this generation produce geniuses?

The SAT is able to be studied for now, and there is grade inflation.

The SAT that you took is very different than the SAT that your kids take. Previously, you could get a small edge by doing SAT prep and memorizing vocab. But the logic sections, i.r. kitten:cat::puppy:dog are gone.

There’s grade inflation for sure but the SAT is easier now, and it’s been re-normed so that kids’ scores are higher.

Definately! Those of use who took sat in late 80s and early 90s can add
Verbal: 1.07 * pre 1995 score +53
Math: add approximately 20-40

So your 640 V/740 M is now 740V/760 to 780 M
And all of that was achieved without any test prep (beyond PSAT for me).

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are kids these days way smarter than kids of our generation? (80s-90s)
Every kid seems to have top scores and all As. Whereas, at my rigorous public high school in the mid-90s, regular bright well-rounded kids with As/Bs but not Einstein-level grades, were going to Northwestern, Dartmouth, UPenn, Wellesley, etc. I had strong but not exceptional grades and got into Vassar. Now it seems in order to get into a T30, you need all As and all APs. Am I missing something here? How is this happening? Did this generation produce geniuses?

The SAT is able to be studied for now, and there is grade inflation.

The SAT that you took is very different than the SAT that your kids take. Previously, you could get a small edge by doing SAT prep and memorizing vocab. But the logic sections, i.r. kitten:cat::puppy:dog are gone.

Also, 30+ years ago, majority of kids did NOT study for the SAT. The PSAT was your test prep, and maybe you spent a few hours with a SAT test prep book. But most kids were not spending 30-40 hours plus in intensive tutoring to prepare.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are kids these days way smarter than kids of our generation? (80s-90s)
Every kid seems to have top scores and all As. Whereas, at my rigorous public high school in the mid-90s, regular bright well-rounded kids with As/Bs but not Einstein-level grades, were going to Northwestern, Dartmouth, UPenn, Wellesley, etc. I had strong but not exceptional grades and got into Vassar. Now it seems in order to get into a T30, you need all As and all APs. Am I missing something here? How is this happening? Did this generation produce geniuses?

No, kids are less resilient, less capable of critical thinking, but good at taking multiple choice tests with obvious answers. Professors want good rate my professor scores. College is just like high school. Set a low bar everyone gets As, let the employers and professional schools sort out the wheat from the chaff.

Sad really.

College content is much more advanced than when you went. These parents have such bad cope. Continues to call the younger generation less resilient while being old asf and whining on a forum, because some mythical children aren’t to your stupid standard.

This. It is graduation season. At every graduation some students excelled and get honors at graduation. Most certainly not all did. This nonsense that every single kid is sailing through college stress-free acing class is such utter nonsense.
It's a difficult challenging task to consistently be at the top of your class in college for years. Don't let these morons on dcum feed you a bunch of nonsense.

I realized these parents were all wrong after attending DD’s graduation. Her best friend finds time to be a double major in math and neuroscience, works in 2 labs, has published 3 times and been first author on one of those papers, has highest honors, has 2 jobs to sustain herself- the girl is Questbridge!, starts working full time in a couple days as a research assistant for her advisor while also taking starting night classes for her masters. Her other friends have also done some very impressive work- one worked with the EU and has worked on the successful campaign of two politicians and spent one summer working with bidens office, another got a law fellowship with SLS and did her thesis on field work in Brazil where she lived in a favela and documented the culture of femicide. These kids are working their tails off and of course the grumpy moms here have to trash it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are kids these days way smarter than kids of our generation? (80s-90s)
Every kid seems to have top scores and all As. Whereas, at my rigorous public high school in the mid-90s, regular bright well-rounded kids with As/Bs but not Einstein-level grades, were going to Northwestern, Dartmouth, UPenn, Wellesley, etc. I had strong but not exceptional grades and got into Vassar. Now it seems in order to get into a T30, you need all As and all APs. Am I missing something here? How is this happening? Did this generation produce geniuses?

No, kids are less resilient, less capable of critical thinking, but good at taking multiple choice tests with obvious answers. Professors want good rate my professor scores. College is just like high school. Set a low bar everyone gets As, let the employers and professional schools sort out the wheat from the chaff.

Sad really.

College content is much more advanced than when you went. These parents have such bad cope. Continues to call the younger generation less resilient while being old asf and whining on a forum, because some mythical children aren’t to your stupid standard.

This. It is graduation season. At every graduation some students excelled and get honors at graduation. Most certainly not all did. This nonsense that every single kid is sailing through college stress-free acing class is such utter nonsense.
It's a difficult challenging task to consistently be at the top of your class in college for years. Don't let these morons on dcum feed you a bunch of nonsense.

I don't think kids are smarter. But that top 10 percent are way more disciplined and focused than my generation ever was.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are kids these days way smarter than kids of our generation? (80s-90s)
Every kid seems to have top scores and all As. Whereas, at my rigorous public high school in the mid-90s, regular bright well-rounded kids with As/Bs but not Einstein-level grades, were going to Northwestern, Dartmouth, UPenn, Wellesley, etc. I had strong but not exceptional grades and got into Vassar. Now it seems in order to get into a T30, you need all As and all APs. Am I missing something here? How is this happening? Did this generation produce geniuses?

No, kids are less resilient, less capable of critical thinking, but good at taking multiple choice tests with obvious answers. Professors want good rate my professor scores. College is just like high school. Set a low bar everyone gets As, let the employers and professional schools sort out the wheat from the chaff.

Sad really.

College content is much more advanced than when you went. These parents have such bad cope. Continues to call the younger generation less resilient while being old asf and whining on a forum, because some mythical children aren’t to your stupid standard.

Anonymous wrote:Yes and no.
There has been grade inflation and watering down of the objective measures in order to hold off certain high achieving demographics.
In the other hand, the influx of high achieving 2nd generations also raised the bar although they’ve been thwarted.

This feels weirdly racial. The watering down is happening in majority white and Asian districts.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids with As and Bs are still getting into the schools you listed above.

false...no way into Northwestern, Dartmouth, or Penn.

Your kids don’t go to top privates? I can tell.

Anonymous wrote:Kids with As and Bs are still getting into the schools you listed above.

false...no way into Northwestern, Dartmouth, or Penn.

As/Bs kids from our private still go to Penn and Dartmouth but not HYPSM. A slightly lower could go to Wellesley, Chicago, and Northwestern. Multivariable still differentiates students among top students. Surprisingly there aren’t that many 1580+ kids like on DCUM, so that score still gives them a boost at college admissions.