Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The most evil one was the man who raped underage girls when his own daughters were in the same room being raped by Samuel. Beyond Disturbing and Disgusting.

Yes that is so disgusting and disturbing. I kept thinking about it for days afterwards. I’m glad he got prison time.

And that his original wife found the courage to speak up.

Anonymous wrote:The most evil one was the man who raped underage girls when his own daughters were in the same room being raped by Samuel. Beyond Disturbing and Disgusting.

Yes that is so disgusting and disturbing. I kept thinking about it for days afterwards. I’m glad he got prison time.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do not understand how someone like this Samuel guy gets anyone at all to listen to anything he says, let alone followers. It's bizarre.

The abuse is frightening, but watching this after all of the Epstein files coming out I wonder -- what percentage of men just devolve to this when they have enough power? Given everything I've seen lately, it has to be higher than I would have thought.

It's a numbers game. Eventually you will find followers if you ask enough people.

I don't think so. Not weird awkward losers like this Samuel guy.

This whole community was beyond tired of the no-marriage-and-no-sex edict from Warren Jeffs. This Samuel guy literally pulled in with a cart full of wives. Then his willingness to facilitate the abuse of young girls, unfortunately, got the loyalty of multiple men.

The most evil one was the man who raped underage girls when his own daughters were in the same room being raped by Samuel. Beyond Disturbing and Disgusting.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That sheriff and his “tender heart” deserves prosecution too. It’s interesting because there’s been a lot of recent media featuring a brewery and coffee shops, and people talking about returning or moving to Short Creek and renewing it as a normal community. It took someone integrating into the community to find the underbelly.

You have to understand that, like Utah, nearly everyone in that area is some form of LDS. As a result, they’re going to hem and haw about taking any action against them because they’re “their” people. Defense of the “church” is paramount.

[/b]Watch Under the Banner of Heaven (or read the book) to get a better sense of this.

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Amazing book. There was one line where he asked a current, modern LDS man why they didn't more aggressively crack down on the FLDS and he said something to the effect of, "You have to understand, you only have to go back a few generations and all of our family trees look like this. And they're basically embracing the scripture without revelations (made for political reasons mostly) the way it was intended and the way it is envisioned in the afterlife. So there's a real reticence to come out swinging against the practice of polygamy or dive too deep into what's happening in these communities. How can we really say it is wrong without questioning our own beliefs?"

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nomz annoyed me in the documentary.

Also it wasn’t clear if Julia, the informant, left FLDS. Her husband was a real piece of sh*t.

Nomz acted like she was drugged in a way, which didn’t make sense because they don’t believe in that. But it was odd.

I like Nomz on her insta and podcasts and am so happy she got out. But there is a little bit of a redemption narrative here because she was pretty bad for awhile as an enforcer.

True, but if you rewatch scenes from the show, you see so much fear in face. She said in one of her podcast interviews that earlier in their marriage, he banished her to live alone in a storage trailer for six months for questioning him - so what does 6 months of solitary confinement do to a person? She's glued to him and does anything he asks.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That sheriff and his “tender heart” deserves prosecution too. It’s interesting because there’s been a lot of recent media featuring a brewery and coffee shops, and people talking about returning or moving to Short Creek and renewing it as a normal community. It took someone integrating into the community to find the underbelly.

You have to understand that, like Utah, nearly everyone in that area is some form of LDS. As a result, they’re going to hem and haw about taking any action against them because they’re “their” people. Defense of the “church” is paramount.

Watch Under the Banner of Heaven (or read the book) to get a better sense of this.

I grew up LDS, and I think all LDS women should watch this show with an open mind. First, there is no way you walk away from this show and think modern FLDS is defensible. Second, the LDS church may not currently practice polygamy, but Joseph Smith and Brigham Young certainly did. The entire church is, at its very core, patriarchy in the most extreme and offensive form. The entire order of the church is built around the power of men and the subjugation of women. In its worst form, it allows for sexual assault of young girls, and their own mothers are so brainwashed and powerless that they can't defend them. How do current LDS members reconcile the existence of polygamy in the afterlife? Or that Joseph Smith and Brigham Young lived a version of what you saw on Trust Me?

Anonymous wrote:Omg. Did anyone watch this? So creepy. I still can’t get it out of my mind. The new FLDS “prophet” had wives ranging in age from 11-15. I believe there was also a 9 year old. He arranged sex orgies where they had to watch each other and their own parents having sex. Also some other men had sec with his wives. Some of the wives are mother and daughter. I am traumatized.

I am still dumbfounded that Samuel allowed them to be filmed by outsiders.

The show is sooooo good! I never got into any of the other polygamy shows, but this one was exceptionally well-made. The filmmakers were able to basically become a part of the community and get inside access. Without them, Samuel may still be abusing children. I'm following Nomz now - I love how the villain of the entire show is now the hero. It also changed my view of the FLDS - I previously found myself somewhat open to the belief that they should be allowed to practice polygamy without government interference, but watching this show took me down a rabbit hole of research on how many young girls are abused in the FLDS community. I don't believe it's an overstatement to say that the entire religion is built to subjugate, enslave, and abuse women. The sad part is that the women are so lost in their faith that they can't escape it. Putting Warren Jeffs in prison just created a void for the next, even more corrupt man to step in and take all the women for himself. Nomz got out because she spent two years in jail, isolated from her community. Would she have left without that experience? Unlikely.

Anonymous wrote:That sheriff and his “tender heart” deserves prosecution too. It’s interesting because there’s been a lot of recent media featuring a brewery and coffee shops, and people talking about returning or moving to Short Creek and renewing it as a normal community. It took someone integrating into the community to find the underbelly.

You have to understand that, like Utah, nearly everyone in that area is some form of LDS. As a result, they’re going to hem and haw about taking any action against them because they’re “their” people. Defense of the “church” is paramount.

Watch Under the Banner of Heaven (or read the book) to get a better sense of this.

Oh but at least Samuel took precautions so the underage girls wouldn’t get pregnant. Yuck!!!!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nomz annoyed me in the documentary.

Also it wasn’t clear if Julia, the informant, left FLDS. Her husband was a real piece of sh*t.

Nomz acted like she was drugged in a way, which didn’t make sense because they don’t believe in that. But it was odd.

I like Nomz on her insta and podcasts and am so happy she got out. But there is a little bit of a redemption narrative here because she was pretty bad for awhile as an enforcer.

Anonymous wrote:I do not understand how someone like this Samuel guy gets anyone at all to listen to anything he says, let alone followers. It's bizarre.

The abuse is frightening, but watching this after all of the Epstein files coming out I wonder -- what percentage of men just devolve to this when they have enough power? Given everything I've seen lately, it has to be higher than I would have thought.

It's a multi-generational cult built largely on SA of women and children. Girls are taught from birth that your eternal salvation from Outer Darkness depends upon your absolute obedience to the Prophet, to your father, to other men (all of whom are priesthood holders). Men need to marry as many women and father as many children as they can to secure their place in the Celestial Kingdom, which fits nicely with the aforementioned basis of SA.

When Warren Jeffs said no more marriages and no more babies, most of his followers obeyed him. Moroni finally did not and was ostracized, then Samuel filled the power vacuum by claiming that he was the prophet and legitimizing his own "marriages" and those of others. The women obey out of physical and spiritual fear. The men operate with varying degrees of commitment to their spiritual belief and simple monstrous SA intent.

Anonymous wrote:I do not understand how someone like this Samuel guy gets anyone at all to listen to anything he says, let alone followers. It's bizarre.

The abuse is frightening, but watching this after all of the Epstein files coming out I wonder -- what percentage of men just devolve to this when they have enough power? Given everything I've seen lately, it has to be higher than I would have thought.

It's a numbers game. Eventually you will find followers if you ask enough people.