Anonymous wrote:It’s not airborne.

Correction: it is aerosolized by rodent droppings. That’s airborne. Human to human transmission is believed to be passed through exposure to bodily fluids.

It’s not airborne.

One small cruise ship from a cruise line nobody from Dcumlandia has ever heard of is dealing with a very rare hantavirus situation largely due to ties to Argentina where there has been an issue.

This isn’t a cruise thing. It’s just a terrible isolated event. The initial person was likely traveling in Argentina and picked it up there.

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Anonymous wrote:So what are they doing with the people still on the cruise? Are they allowing them to keep going to ports and potentially affect others? It seems very confusing. Why wouldn’t we just quarantine the ship for a few weeks?

What's confusing? This sounds like you didn't read any of the news stories.

I did, but there’s conflicting information.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't hear about the France case being infected on a plane. Link?

Also, I was under the impression that this strain of hantavirus is endemic in Argentina- it's not a novel thing- and it requires very close contact to spread, like sharing a bed, or sharing food. So I suppose being right next to someone on the airplane and sharing a drink with them or something could spread it, but I did not think it was very easily transmissible, not airborne or small droplet spread like flu or covid etc.

The cruise ships are having out breaks and I read that it can take 2-3 weeks to feel the effects all the while you're spreading it to ton of people. It's got a high fatality rate as well and it is pretty easily transmissible. Not good.

A cruise ship. Hysterical much.

People are slamming cruise ships but I think this would be much worse if this was a standard vacation where people were traveling on land and changing hotels regularly. The real issue is the wildlife vacations where people are hanging out with wildlife that doesn’t normally see a lot of human activity. That’s probably how the first couple picked it up. I wish they would give a little more detail about the infected crew members — did they interact closely with the infected couple?

This seems particularly not great because at least one infected person got off the boat midway and then flew halfway round the world. At least one person on that flight was infected. Anyone else? And where all have they been, and were they coughing? It actually seems like this strain might have a pretty high transmission rate once the infected person is actually coughing.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t heard about new cases reported in the countries that are treating the cruise ship staff/patients.
This is why I don’t do cruises (other than the small motor sailboat yacht in Galapagos) - viruses can fly through the passengers like wildfire.

After the norovirus and diarrhea cruises, I don't understand why anyone would do it.

We took a Regent luxury cruise to Alaska. It was a great way to see the inland passage on a smaller ship.

Anonymous wrote:So what are they doing with the people still on the cruise? Are they allowing them to keep going to ports and potentially affect others? It seems very confusing. Why wouldn’t we just quarantine the ship for a few weeks?

What's confusing? This sounds like you didn't read any of the news stories.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't hear about the France case being infected on a plane. Link?

Also, I was under the impression that this strain of hantavirus is endemic in Argentina- it's not a novel thing- and it requires very close contact to spread, like sharing a bed, or sharing food. So I suppose being right next to someone on the airplane and sharing a drink with them or something could spread it, but I did not think it was very easily transmissible, not airborne or small droplet spread like flu or covid etc.

The cruise ships are having out breaks and I read that it can take 2-3 weeks to feel the effects all the while you're spreading it to ton of people. It's got a high fatality rate as well and it is pretty easily transmissible. Not good.

It's just one cruise ship that is having an outbreak.

Those people have been taking land excursions and mingling with other people.

I know it can cause a lot of anxiety to think about, but this virus historically has not spread very easily from person to person, and does not appear to be spreading easily from person to person this time either. Zero casual contacts of these patients- and zero health care workers who have cared for them- have contracted it. Definitely confirms my belief that cruise ships are petri dishes though.

There are different types of hantavirus, the old world which affects kidneys liver and is hemorrhagic, and the new world which is respiratory. This is an offshoot of new world.
The ships doctor did get it from the couple. Others did too.

Anonymous wrote:So what are they doing with the people still on the cruise? Are they allowing them to keep going to ports and potentially affect others? It seems very confusing. Why wouldn’t we just quarantine the ship for a few weeks?

They’ve been quarantined for a while but several are so ill (like the boat doctor) they had to be flown off.
They are hoping to dock at Canary Islands but Spain is refusing.
It must be absolutely terrifying for the passengers.

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Anonymous wrote:What are the odds that there aren’t any rodents on that ship?

It’s the size of a skyscraper and rodents and ships are peas in a pod.

Unless the passengers are personally cleaning the areas of rodent infestation, it is doubtful they all got it the normal way. It has been confirmed that this is the Andes hantavirus that can be spread through human to human contact.

Which is not a novel virus, and only a small minority of the hundreds of cruise ship passengers contracted it from the couple who boarded the ship from Argentina while infected. Also, the article a PP posted says that south african authorities reached out to something like 50-60 people who may have had contact with one of the cruise ship passengers- airplane passengers, etc- and zero of them have tested positive. So again- thankfully it does not seem easy to transmit. If this had been covid in 2020, something like 75% of those contacts would have it. Remember the covid cruise ships?? Like every one of those people ended up testing postiive.

Out of 62 exposed in airport, only 42 have been found and tested.

So what are they doing with the people still on the cruise? Are they allowing them to keep going to ports and potentially affect others? It seems very confusing. Why wouldn’t we just quarantine the ship for a few weeks?

Reason 190382904732493539158340958 that cruise ships are discusting.

Glad they're quarantining the ships now.

Anonymous wrote:What are the odds that there aren’t any rodents on that ship?

It’s the size of a skyscraper and rodents and ships are peas in a pod.

I went to Antarctica on a similar ship. They are very fancy cruise ships. Like a whole different class.

I think it's more likely they got it on the bird watching tour the couple went on.

I guess we’ll figure out who all the cruise swingers are.