Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since Feds are now being treated like 16 yo McDonald’s employees or coal miners in 1904 who have to “clock in” for exactly 8 hours a day (or 8.5 hrs, depending on your interpretation of HR policy), when exactly does that time begin?

When you enter the parking garage using your piv card?

Or when you enter the turnstile?

Or when you get to the elevator?

Or when you get to your office?

Or teachers or nurses or many other professionals.

Not a single teacher is forced to work a precise number of hours every day or “clock in.” And let me know when Feds start getting 3 months off every summer.

Actually, we do. FCPS has very restrictive contract hours this year. I am required to be on campus between 7:50 and 3:20 every day. Kids are in school from 8 - 2:45. I am not allowed to leave at 2:45, even if I got to work at 6:30. Likewise, I cannot flex hours. If I work 10 hours today and don't leave until 6 pm, I cannot leave 5 minutes early tomorrow. Admin sweeps the building at 3:15 to make sure we are all still here, or if they can't find you they send you an email telling you to put in leave. I have a 30 minute duty free lunch, but I must remain on campus. If I want to run off campus to drop something at the post office, I have to put in leave. It is extremely precise.

Before covid people would clock in at 6:30 and then eat leisurely breakfasts at their desks and read, do Bible readings, whatever until everyone else came in after 8. Great holy work ethic.
When I needed to drive in (rarely) I would get there very early. One time a guy eating his breakfast and reading the paper nearly needed a Heimlich when I walked past and cheerily said Hi.

You're not an indentured servant. Find a new job if you don't like it. Something must still be keeping you at your job? The amount of leave you get, the pension, other perks?

The amount of bitc7ing coming from the feds is unreal.

I always assumed it was the turnstile to enter and exit the lobby of my agency. I don’t think the parking garage counts!

Anonymous wrote:Are badge swipes being regularly monitored and audited against timecards? Asking because I actually go into the office every day and I truly feel like I’m the only one. And the hours aren’t adding up for those who are coming in. I’m not tracking everyone’s movements and can’t be sure, but I’ve noticed enough just walking the halls.

I know at my agency there has been at least one review to compare badge swipes to time cards to make sure people were present in the building on days where they are required to be in the building. (We still have some limited telework due to office space constraints.) They did find a few people who were significantly misrepresenting when they were in the office.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I always assumed first badge swipe in and last badge swipe out. For me this is a door in the parking garage.

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We only swipe once to enter our building. No swipe on our way out or for the garage. In theory, someone could badge in and turn around and walk out the next second.

As someone in the know, they will also pull your IT records and compare the two (and they do so every time there is a time card issue). So no, you can't just walk around and go home after swiping in.

Are badge swipes being regularly monitored and audited against timecards? Asking because I actually go into the office every day and I truly feel like I’m the only one. And the hours aren’t adding up for those who are coming in. I’m not tracking everyone’s movements and can’t be sure, but I’ve noticed enough just walking the halls.

At my fed office you have to swipe your PIV card to drive into (and out of) the garage. So if we're playing games here.....................

Anonymous wrote:Since Feds are now being treated like 16 yo McDonald’s employees or coal miners in 1904 who have to “clock in” for exactly 8 hours a day (or 8.5 hrs, depending on your interpretation of HR policy), when exactly does that time begin?

When you enter the parking garage using your piv card?

Or when you enter the turnstile?

Or when you get to the elevator?

Or when you get to your office?

I am a manager at a big tech company and have the option to review swipes and time you are in the office at there is an rto. However I would only do so if I had performance problems and attitudes issues like yourself. So don't be an ass

I look at my clock when I get to my desk.I don't think the elevator time counts. It's like part of the commute.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When they record the data, so whenever you first swipe.

Cool — so I can go chill out for 15 minutes in the lobby and wait till exactly 4:00 and exit the turnstile. I guess that 15 minutes counts.

What a bunch of bs kabuki theater.

On that theory you can sit at your desk all day and watch YouTube...

Not to derail but you really have a "PIV card"?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since Feds are now being treated like 16 yo McDonald’s employees or coal miners in 1904 who have to “clock in” for exactly 8 hours a day (or 8.5 hrs, depending on your interpretation of HR policy), when exactly does that time begin?

When you enter the parking garage using your piv card?

Or when you enter the turnstile?

Or when you get to the elevator?

Or when you get to your office?

Or teachers or nurses or many other professionals.

Not a single teacher is forced to work a precise number of hours every day or “clock in.” And let me know when Feds start getting 3 months off every summer.

+100

I mean ... when I had to punch in with a time card at Dunkin' Donuts in the late 80s, it wasn't when I entered the parking lot, FFS.

I'm a nurse. Everywhere I've worked the general policy is you swipe your badge to punch in when you are ready to work. So not at the garage or before you get to the floor. It's never been a big deal for me as it's always been a 5-10 min walk from garage to whatever floor I was working on. I have friends in other cities where it's a bigger deal because it can take them 30 min between when they park to when they get to the floor depending on how they hit the shuttle schedule.