I never saw the show and don't know much about her, but sort of agree that men in Hollywood have done this forever. I don't know why women are forever pulling other women down. I think Adam Driver is handsome. Not my type but an interesting looking guy.

I feel about her the way I feel about Katy Perry - I'd rather not ever know anything about either of them.

Anonymous wrote:She wrote a show featuring herself hooking up with handsome men! I actually think it’s kind of endearing. It’s like David Lynch, writing in a scene of himself kissing a beautiful babe because he’s the visionary and he does what he wants. For an old man to do that is one thing, but a young fat woman is beyond the pale!

Not sure about other men, but Adam Driver isn't handsome, and certainly on Girls wasn't more attractive than Lena Dunham.

Anonymous wrote:People don't like it when big girls have main character energy.

Not true. Mama Cass was large and legendarily "main character" (perhaps before your time), and beloved.

Roseanne, too, before she went nuts.

Queen Latifah? All hail the Queen!

Lena is just arrogant and likes to hear herself talk. Nothing to do with her body.

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Anonymous wrote:Lol she's been totally off everyone's radar for years, then she pops up with an interview and a project, and you're already "tired" of her.

She really sets people off. I also find her annoying but I find many celebrities annoying. I think the hate against her is much worse because she's not pretty and people do not feel she deserves to be famous as a result.

I totally agree with this. It's fascinating. And it's that she had the nerve to write a show where she was a character with romantic partners and show herself and her body when she is not conventionally attractive. It's triggering to people.

I could care less about her looks. It's the entitled, self-involved, un-self-aware nepo vibe that bugs me. She thinks she's the Millennial answer to Nora Ephron. She reminds me of O. Nuzzi.

I don't understand celebrity hate. If I don't care for someone I don't read about them or watch them.

Lives are out in the open. I'm guessing in old times our parents didn't know about the personal lives of Rock Hudson or The Beatles.

Anonymous wrote:She bugs me. She seems self-involved and fame-thirsty.
https://people.com/lena-dunham-famesick-memoir-chronic-illness-addiction-exes-interview-exclusive-11948466

Sit down.

Lol! She would say totally. She would understand. 😂

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Anonymous wrote:I think Lena is a mediocre to sub-par actress BUT her screenwriting is under appreciated by the general public. I think it's respected within the industry but especially because a lot of her writing has been for TV, people don't realize how good it is.

She writes extremely natural, incisive dialogue and her work is often culturally relevant in inventive ways -- she understood the millennial zeitgeist in a way few other writers did at the time she wrote Tiny Furniture and Girls.

Her more recent work hasn't been as good but still not bad. Too Much was above average, I just think it was miscast (love Megan Stalter but the rest of the cast didn't feel right).

Lena's public persona has always been problematic, she is genuinely an annoying person, but there are plenty of other pretty actresses with similar backgrounds and personalities that don't engender the same level of revulsion. Taylor Swift is a good example. Maude Apatow. Amanda Siefried. Dakota Johnson. They are all weird and kind of grating but they are very conventionally pretty and people instinctively give them the benefit of the doubt. Lena has never been able to lean on her looks yet she's really made something of herself, despite having a weird personality that is hard in large doses. That's actually really something.

Mindy Kaling is one of the best analogs to Lena but Mindy worked very hard to make herself visually palatable to people. Also even though she was bigger earlier in her career, she has a pretty face, and that helped. Lena is honestly below average in looks (I don't mean that in a mean way, but in a room of 100 random women, she'd be in the lower half) and people really hold it against her. She gets ZERO good will from people based on her appearance. Someone should do a scientific study on this, honestly. It's interesting.

Mindy is funny and much kinder than Lena. Lena comes off as a bully and a cry baby at the same time.

Mindy had a lot more rough edges when she was young and new to the industry -- there are definitely stories about when she was writing for The Office (her first big gig, where she was one of a big team of writers and not in charge) where she comes off as childish and petty. She spent a decade on that show with a small role and has a staff writer before she got her own show and became more famous in her own right.

Lena went from almost total unknown (unless you'd seen Tiny Furniture, which was an itty bitty mumblecore movie with a really limited release) to having the Sunday night "prestige" show on HBO with Judd Apatow producing. And the show was somewhat autobiographical/confessional (not perfectly so but Lena was obviously drawing on her own experience as a post-grad writer in NYC coming from a liberal arts college) so every embarrassing, ridiculous, over the top thing that happened on the show became linked to how people saw Lena as a person. And then also because Lena got so much more famous than Mindy so quickly, she also got so much more hate for her body and appearance (and you could tell Lena started out much more self-loathing to begin with).

I think of a writer like Nora Ephron, who was very successful while having a very caustic personality that I think would rub a lot of people the wrong way under scrutiny, but she didn't start screenwriting until her 40s, and she didn't star in her own work so people accepted it more and didn't beat her up. Lena was young, wound up featured front and center in the show she wrote, with no chance to ease into the industry or into her own personality.

I think that would trip a lot of people up.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Lena is a mediocre to sub-par actress BUT her screenwriting is under appreciated by the general public. I think it's respected within the industry but especially because a lot of her writing has been for TV, people don't realize how good it is.

She writes extremely natural, incisive dialogue and her work is often culturally relevant in inventive ways -- she understood the millennial zeitgeist in a way few other writers did at the time she wrote Tiny Furniture and Girls.

Her more recent work hasn't been as good but still not bad. Too Much was above average, I just think it was miscast (love Megan Stalter but the rest of the cast didn't feel right).

Lena's public persona has always been problematic, she is genuinely an annoying person, but there are plenty of other pretty actresses with similar backgrounds and personalities that don't engender the same level of revulsion. Taylor Swift is a good example. Maude Apatow. Amanda Siefried. Dakota Johnson. They are all weird and kind of grating but they are very conventionally pretty and people instinctively give them the benefit of the doubt. Lena has never been able to lean on her looks yet she's really made something of herself, despite having a weird personality that is hard in large doses. That's actually really something.

Mindy Kaling is one of the best analogs to Lena but Mindy worked very hard to make herself visually palatable to people. Also even though she was bigger earlier in her career, she has a pretty face, and that helped. Lena is honestly below average in looks (I don't mean that in a mean way, but in a room of 100 random women, she'd be in the lower half) and people really hold it against her. She gets ZERO good will from people based on her appearance. Someone should do a scientific study on this, honestly. It's interesting.

Mindy is funny and much kinder than Lena. Lena comes off as a bully and a cry baby at the same time.

We all are op, we all are.

Anonymous wrote:I think Lena is a mediocre to sub-par actress BUT her screenwriting is under appreciated by the general public. I think it's respected within the industry but especially because a lot of her writing has been for TV, people don't realize how good it is.

She writes extremely natural, incisive dialogue and her work is often culturally relevant in inventive ways -- she understood the millennial zeitgeist in a way few other writers did at the time she wrote Tiny Furniture and Girls.

Her more recent work hasn't been as good but still not bad. Too Much was above average, I just think it was miscast (love Megan Stalter but the rest of the cast didn't feel right).

Lena's public persona has always been problematic, she is genuinely an annoying person, but there are plenty of other pretty actresses with similar backgrounds and personalities that don't engender the same level of revulsion. Taylor Swift is a good example. Maude Apatow. Amanda Siefried. Dakota Johnson. They are all weird and kind of grating but they are very conventionally pretty and people instinctively give them the benefit of the doubt. Lena has never been able to lean on her looks yet she's really made something of herself, despite having a weird personality that is hard in large doses. That's actually really something.

Mindy Kaling is one of the best analogs to Lena but Mindy worked very hard to make herself visually palatable to people. Also even though she was bigger earlier in her career, she has a pretty face, and that helped. Lena is honestly below average in looks (I don't mean that in a mean way, but in a room of 100 random women, she'd be in the lower half) and people really hold it against her. She gets ZERO good will from people based on her appearance. Someone should do a scientific study on this, honestly. It's interesting.

I think Lena is a mediocre to sub-par actress BUT her screenwriting is under appreciated by the general public. I think it's respected within the industry but especially because a lot of her writing has been for TV, people don't realize how good it is.

She writes extremely natural, incisive dialogue and her work is often culturally relevant in inventive ways -- she understood the millennial zeitgeist in a way few other writers did at the time she wrote Tiny Furniture and Girls.

Her more recent work hasn't been as good but still not bad. Too Much was above average, I just think it was miscast (love Megan Stalter but the rest of the cast didn't feel right).

Lena's public persona has always been problematic, she is genuinely an annoying person, but there are plenty of other pretty actresses with similar backgrounds and personalities that don't engender the same level of revulsion. Taylor Swift is a good example. Maude Apatow. Amanda Siefried. Dakota Johnson. They are all weird and kind of grating but they are very conventionally pretty and people instinctively give them the benefit of the doubt. Lena has never been able to lean on her looks yet she's really made something of herself, despite having a weird personality that is hard in large doses. That's actually really something.

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Anonymous wrote:Lol she's been totally off everyone's radar for years, then she pops up with an interview and a project, and you're already "tired" of her.

She really sets people off. I also find her annoying but I find many celebrities annoying. I think the hate against her is much worse because she's not pretty and people do not feel she deserves to be famous as a result.

Agree. I think people are triggered because it seems like a mediocre person with mediocre writing and mediocre looks and mediocre acting is getting her mediocre projects on HBO and Netflix. Writers and actors and producers would kill to get their screenplays picked up by HBO. And it seems to effortlessly happen for Lena Durham, and people can't figure out why. But people are still talking about Girls and Lena Dunham, so she clearly is hitting a nerve. And that's good of course.

She got the HBO deal because of her indie film called Tiny Furniture. It caught the eye of Judd Apatow and he was instrumental in getting her that deal. I remember seeing the movie and thinking it was really good. One thing that stood out to me was that she showed her imperfect body in the film as no big deal and that was unusual at the time. She was not a conventional heroine and it showed (as did Girls) how an unattractive girl is treated by others. Then she went full fantasy with making her character on Girls as being the object of desire, more than the others. That's when I stopped watching. She wrote a memoir which was ridiculed. I think she was like many people who get success when young. They believe their own hype and become arrogant. She has made a lot of missteps and outright blunders. I hated the baby doll dresses and the tattoos. She was like someone in a state of arrested development. I think she had one or two interesting insights into body image but not much else.

Weird read on Girls? All of the characters had a ton of s*x. Not just Hannah. I think you could only say that if you in fact ARE triggered that a women who is not conventionally pretty is shown being desired.

How are you tired of her? She has been very low profile for years. She had a pretty successful mini series last year and I don’t recall her being that much in the public eye.