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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, PP is right. Thin and unattractive works if you dress well. French women for example are very good at this.

Sarah Jessica Parker, Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, etc. are also good examples of this.

But if those are your examples, then your definition of "unattractive" is really expansive. SJP and CBK are/were unusual looking, so not beautiful, but also have/had certain qualities that make it much easier to make the look very attractive with good styling -- symmetrical faces, nice eyes, good natural teeth (or good orthodontia -- the point is they had nice teeth without veneers), strong cheekbones, and good jaw lines. Also truly fantastic hair for both of them -- thick and healthy even at longer lengths.

They both had long faces and prominent noses, and that's what kept them from being truly beautiful. But they were not "unattractive." They had a lot to work with and both did a good job of maximizing their looks, including by staying very thin.

SJP had a good body (boobs) that made her naturally average. Style raised her up.

CBK did not have the body and only money to make her passable as almost attractive. Paris Hilton is average looking, but has more to work with than CBK.

Without their last names they are nothing.

I would love to see how any person who says CBK was not pretty looks like themselves.
Carolyn had a very pretty, classical Greek features and Botticelli level pretty face. Also she was thin and elegant

Anonymous wrote:We know men don’t like fat women. But what if you’re thin and are not conventionally attractive?

Do you have a better shot at dating?

I have never been thin. I have always gotten attention from men and married a man I found terribly attractive. And men still give me a lot of attention at 41.

I don’t think men care that much if you are pleasant and somewhat pleasant to look at. It’s women who seem more interested in body shape. I have always had a larger chest and discernible waist, and that’s enough for most men it seems.

Anonymous wrote:It is easiest to date when you are thin and attractive.

It is slightly harder when you are thin and unattractive.

It is harder when you are fat and attractive.

It is much harder when you are fat and unattractive

This!

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Anonymous wrote:We know men don’t like fat women. But what if you’re thin and are not conventionally attractive?

Do you have a better shot at dating?

It sure is socially beneficial to be thin and tall compared to being obese and short. It is also easier to become fit if you try. As far as being attractive goes, go to a good saloon for cut and color and Sephora for make up and tips. You can also use artificial nails, eyelashes, hair, colored lenses, nails, heels etc for that. If still not happy, get some plastic surgery and cosmetic dentistry done. Some people get good looks in inheritance and others can buy it, same difference.

Just be kind, productive and confident and you'll do fine. Becoming educated, social and successful also takes some work but all is doable.

You’re giving hangry PP. All you need is some buttery biscuits and gravy and all will be well in the world. I promise you. hahaha

If you look around, there are a lot of married or coupled women who are not particularly attractive, and many who are overweight. There are a lot of coupled men who are balding or poorer or short.

I'm not denying that these factors matter to some extent, or that people who lack these qualities are slightly less likely to end up married, but it amazes me that people can live on this planet for decades and not observed that human mating is extremely complicated and cannot be reduced to a handful of simple dimensions.

Permanent makeup is also an effortless way to look attractive.

You can also draw or fill eyebrows to make darker and thicker.

Anonymous wrote:We know men don’t like fat women. But what if you’re thin and are not conventionally attractive?

Do you have a better shot at dating?

It sure is socially beneficial to be thin and tall compared to being obese and short. It is also easier to become fit if you try. As far as being attractive goes, go to a good saloon for cut and color and Sephora for make up and tips. You can also use artificial nails, eyelashes, hair, colored lenses, nails, heels etc for that. If still not happy, get some plastic surgery and cosmetic dentistry done. Some people get good looks in inheritance and others can buy it, same difference.

Just be kind, productive and confident and you'll do fine. Becoming educated, social and successful also takes some work but all is doable.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, PP is right. Thin and unattractive works if you dress well. French women for example are very good at this.

Sarah Jessica Parker, Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, etc. are also good examples of this.

But if those are your examples, then your definition of "unattractive" is really expansive. SJP and CBK are/were unusual looking, so not beautiful, but also have/had certain qualities that make it much easier to make the look very attractive with good styling -- symmetrical faces, nice eyes, good natural teeth (or good orthodontia -- the point is they had nice teeth without veneers), strong cheekbones, and good jaw lines. Also truly fantastic hair for both of them -- thick and healthy even at longer lengths.

They both had long faces and prominent noses, and that's what kept them from being truly beautiful. But they were not "unattractive." They had a lot to work with and both did a good job of maximizing their looks, including by staying very thin.

SJP had a good body (boobs) that made her naturally average. Style raised her up.

CBK did not have the body and only money to make her passable as almost attractive. Paris Hilton is average looking, but has more to work with than CBK.

Without their last names they are nothing.

Except this is demonstrably false because Carolyn was famously considered very hot before she married (or even met) JFK Jr. She dated super high status men her entire life. And SJP only became famous (and thus gained a famous name) because she was considered very attractive in her early acting career. She was a child actor who was considered "cute" but then in her 20s she did movies like L.A. Story and Honeymoon in Vegas where she played desirable women. Yes it was partly a great body but also some natural attributes like her hair (like famously good hair), her eyes, and her cheekbones.

They are both a specific "brand" of attractive -- this kind of horse-faced white lady pretty that is associated with WASPs and New York money. It's not beautiful the way that like, Penelope Cruz is considered beautiful. But it's considered very attractive by a lot of people, and not just because they were thin.

Thin and attractive gets one noticed. The rest is intrinsic factors, fun, caring, sense of humor, sexiness (beyond just physical weight)…..

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, PP is right. Thin and unattractive works if you dress well. French women for example are very good at this.

Sarah Jessica Parker, Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, etc. are also good examples of this.

But if those are your examples, then your definition of "unattractive" is really expansive. SJP and CBK are/were unusual looking, so not beautiful, but also have/had certain qualities that make it much easier to make the look very attractive with good styling -- symmetrical faces, nice eyes, good natural teeth (or good orthodontia -- the point is they had nice teeth without veneers), strong cheekbones, and good jaw lines. Also truly fantastic hair for both of them -- thick and healthy even at longer lengths.

They both had long faces and prominent noses, and that's what kept them from being truly beautiful. But they were not "unattractive." They had a lot to work with and both did a good job of maximizing their looks, including by staying very thin.

SJP had a good body (boobs) that made her naturally average. Style raised her up.

CBK did not have the body and only money to make her passable as almost attractive. Paris Hilton is average looking, but has more to work with than CBK.

Without their last names they are nothing.

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Ehhhh
It depends.
Im a WOC and while thin-ness helps
There are other factors

Like what?

Education
Salary
FICO/Credit score
Career
Zero baggage - no kids/baby mommy/daddy
An azz thats not flat


I could go on and on

Sigh. I’ve got all of the above and I’m thin/fit while also a good cook and a kind person with hobbies and interests. But I’m annoying and I talk too much and I’m probably on the spectrum somewhere. It took me 36 years to find a partner as weird and annoying as I am/doesn’t mind how weird and annoying I am. This is the first relationship I’ve ever had make the two-year mark and so far so good.

Men like women who are soft and feminine and agreeable, and preferably quiet. I am not.

Whoever this is who keeps OCDing on fat vs thin, it is totally relative to the eyes of the beholder. Many of the men I see (mostly at the gym) gawking at women, they are looking at women with body (curves, boobs, big butts). Not sure who these men are out here checking for stick figures. It is 2026 and the pendulum is hovering over body. Go on and get you some, then you can stop losing sleep over it.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, PP is right. Thin and unattractive works if you dress well. French women for example are very good at this.

Sarah Jessica Parker, Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, etc. are also good examples of this.

But if those are your examples, then your definition of "unattractive" is really expansive. SJP and CBK are/were unusual looking, so not beautiful, but also have/had certain qualities that make it much easier to make the look very attractive with good styling -- symmetrical faces, nice eyes, good natural teeth (or good orthodontia -- the point is they had nice teeth without veneers), strong cheekbones, and good jaw lines. Also truly fantastic hair for both of them -- thick and healthy even at longer lengths.

They both had long faces and prominent noses, and that's what kept them from being truly beautiful. But they were not "unattractive." They had a lot to work with and both did a good job of maximizing their looks, including by staying very thin.

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, PP is right. Thin and unattractive works if you dress well. French women for example are very good at this.

Sarah Jessica Parker, Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, etc. are also good examples of this.