Anonymous wrote:The discussion about how much FCPS is going to be spending per pupil at Skyview led me to question what VDOE has been reporting FCPS as spending per pupil at each high school.

The latest VDOE data is from 2023-24:

Lewis $20,687
Falls Church $20,557
Mount Vernon $20,284
Chantilly $19,562
Annandale: $19,535
West Potomac $19,353
Edison $19,231
Herndon $19,205
Justice $18,837
TJ $18,756 [possibly supplemented with private donations through the TJ Partnership Fund]
Fairfax $18,739
South Lakes $18,524
Centreville $18,413
Marshall $18,371
Madison $18,187
Woodson $18,140
Westfield $18,121
Hayfield $17,776
Robinson $17,658
Lake Braddock $17,519
South County $17,456
McLean $16,934
Langley $16,881
West Springfield $16,729
Oakton $16,676

Some of the differences seem fairly obvious. High schools with more poor kids and/or Academy programs get the most money. The 7-12 secondary schools are reported as getting less money per pupil because less is spent on kids in grades 7-8 than in grades 9-12. High schools with fewer poor kids, no Academy programs, and AP get the least money. However, it's not clear why schools like Madison and Woodson get more per student than South County, or over $1,000 more per student than McLean, Langley, West Springfield, and Oakton.

All this money and the education in most high schools is horrible. Most parents I know have tutors to make sure their child is actually learning.

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Anonymous wrote:The discussion about how much FCPS is going to be spending per pupil at Skyview led me to question what VDOE has been reporting FCPS as spending per pupil at each high school.

The latest VDOE data is from 2023-24:

Lewis $20,687
Falls Church $20,557
Mount Vernon $20,284
Chantilly $19,562
Annandale: $19,535
West Potomac $19,353
Edison $19,231
Herndon $19,205
Justice $18,837
TJ $18,756 [possibly supplemented with private donations through the TJ Partnership Fund]
Fairfax $18,739
South Lakes $18,524
Centreville $18,413
Marshall $18,371
Madison $18,187
Woodson $18,140
Westfield $18,121
Hayfield $17,776
Robinson $17,658
Lake Braddock $17,519
South County $17,456
McLean $16,934
Langley $16,881
West Springfield $16,729
Oakton $16,676

Some of the differences seem fairly obvious. High schools with more poor kids and/or Academy programs get the most money. The 7-12 secondary schools are reported as getting less money per pupil because less is spent on kids in grades 7-8 than in grades 9-12. High schools with fewer poor kids, no Academy programs, and AP get the least money. However, it's not clear why schools like Madison and Woodson get more per student than South County, or over $1,000 more per student than McLean, Langley, West Springfield, and Oakton.

Why exactly do the RIO mommies want to stay at Oakton?

Langley, McLean, and Oakton don’t have high numbers of ELL or specialized SPED programs, like CSS so the money that they get goes to more of the students instead of being focused on ELL and high need SPED students. They like it that way.

It's more like FCPS likes to shortchange these schools whenever it has a chance.

No, it’s that the kids at those schools don’t need specialized programs with additional adults to help them learn. Instead they have more AP classes offered, fewer in class disruptions, and fewer issues caused by poverty, learning issues, and emotional dysregulation.

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Anonymous wrote:The discussion about how much FCPS is going to be spending per pupil at Skyview led me to question what VDOE has been reporting FCPS as spending per pupil at each high school.

The latest VDOE data is from 2023-24:

Lewis $20,687
Falls Church $20,557
Mount Vernon $20,284
Chantilly $19,562
Annandale: $19,535
West Potomac $19,353
Edison $19,231
Herndon $19,205
Justice $18,837
TJ $18,756 [possibly supplemented with private donations through the TJ Partnership Fund]
Fairfax $18,739
South Lakes $18,524
Centreville $18,413
Marshall $18,371
Madison $18,187
Woodson $18,140
Westfield $18,121
Hayfield $17,776
Robinson $17,658
Lake Braddock $17,519
South County $17,456
McLean $16,934
Langley $16,881
West Springfield $16,729
Oakton $16,676

Some of the differences seem fairly obvious. High schools with more poor kids and/or Academy programs get the most money. The 7-12 secondary schools are reported as getting less money per pupil because less is spent on kids in grades 7-8 than in grades 9-12. High schools with fewer poor kids, no Academy programs, and AP get the least money. However, it's not clear why schools like Madison and Woodson get more per student than South County, or over $1,000 more per student than McLean, Langley, West Springfield, and Oakton.

Madison and Woodson have CSS programs. Woodson also has the DHOH program. I don't think any of the other 5 schools you mentioned have any large special ed programs.

They may not have CSS but all of the other schools besides Oakton have other special education programs.

And there is more moeny spent on thsoe SPED students. CSS type programs require smaller classes, specialized adults to support kids, and other programing needs that cost more money. It is a significant step up from team taught classes, Resource Support, and the other type of interventions that most IEPs and 504s call for in HS.

High performing schools with smaller FARMs numbers and fewer ELL tend not to have the pupils who have issues that get extra State and Federal funding to help manage those issues. The kids don’t need specialized interventions to be able to attend school, never mind stay on grade level, never mind excel.

The reasons your don’t want to move to Herndon or Lewis are the reasons they get more money. You are already at a school that offers more AP classes and more clubs and more sports. Your kids don’t need the same type of support, they are less expensive for schools. Honestly, you should be happy that your kids don’t need those funds. They are getting high grades, have better class selection, and better opportunities.

Anonymous wrote:Love how these posts bring out the MAGA psychos.

+1

So much ignorance.

Sad, but honestly not surprising anymore.

Look at the numbers. McLean at 16,934. Langley at 16,881. Oakton at 16,676. Among the lowest per pupil funding levels in the county.

Meanwhile, many homeowners in these districts are paying 25,000 to 35,000 dollars per year in real estate taxes alone. And that is just one category. Add the county meals tax, personal property tax on vehicles, car registration fees, stormwater fees, dog license fees, recordation taxes, plus state income and sales taxes. The overall tax burden here is substantial.

Yet the areas contributing some of the highest property tax revenue per household are near the bottom in per student school spending.

We keep hearing that schools with higher poverty rates or academy programs receive more funding. But logically, that means families in certain districts are effectively subsidizing others while receiving less direct investment in their own schools. Whether one supports redistribution or not, it should at least be openly acknowledged and justified, not brushed aside as automatic or inevitable.

The gap is not minor. Some schools receive more than 3,000 dollars per student above McLean or Langley. Even Madison and Woodson are over 1,000 dollars higher. That is a meaningful difference.

Taxes continue to rise. Many residents feel county services are not improving proportionally. Infrastructure concerns, snow removal issues, uneven services, and now visible disparities in school funding.

This is exactly why people are leaving for lower tax states and counties. They would rather pay lower overall taxes and choose private schools or private services directly, where they believe they have more control and clearer value. Agree or disagree, that migration trend is real and it is not happening by accident.

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Anonymous wrote:The discussion about how much FCPS is going to be spending per pupil at Skyview led me to question what VDOE has been reporting FCPS as spending per pupil at each high school.

The latest VDOE data is from 2023-24:

Lewis $20,687
Falls Church $20,557
Mount Vernon $20,284
Chantilly $19,562
Annandale: $19,535
West Potomac $19,353
Edison $19,231
Herndon $19,205
Justice $18,837
TJ $18,756 [possibly supplemented with private donations through the TJ Partnership Fund]
Fairfax $18,739
South Lakes $18,524
Centreville $18,413
Marshall $18,371
Madison $18,187
Woodson $18,140
Westfield $18,121
Hayfield $17,776
Robinson $17,658
Lake Braddock $17,519
South County $17,456
McLean $16,934
Langley $16,881
West Springfield $16,729
Oakton $16,676

Some of the differences seem fairly obvious. High schools with more poor kids and/or Academy programs get the most money. The 7-12 secondary schools are reported as getting less money per pupil because less is spent on kids in grades 7-8 than in grades 9-12. High schools with fewer poor kids, no Academy programs, and AP get the least money. However, it's not clear why schools like Madison and Woodson get more per student than South County, or over $1,000 more per student than McLean, Langley, West Springfield, and Oakton.

Why exactly do the RIO mommies want to stay at Oakton?

What a strange question.

Economy of scale means smaller schools need more money per student to provide the same services to each student. Thus, it may be that Skyview ends up with higher $/student for the first 2-3 years.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, some of those numbers make me feel schools are far from underfunded.

Yes. There is a lot of waste. And this century the amount spent on things other than instruction and school buses is much too high.

How about cutting at your kid’s school first?

I would cut the central office staff ("Gatehouse") first. I'd keep all the money spent on actual teachers, actual instruction and on school buses at all schools.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The discussion about how much FCPS is going to be spending per pupil at Skyview led me to question what VDOE has been reporting FCPS as spending per pupil at each high school.

The latest VDOE data is from 2023-24:

Lewis $20,687
Falls Church $20,557
Mount Vernon $20,284
Chantilly $19,562
Annandale: $19,535
West Potomac $19,353
Edison $19,231
Herndon $19,205
Justice $18,837
TJ $18,756 [possibly supplemented with private donations through the TJ Partnership Fund]
Fairfax $18,739
South Lakes $18,524
Centreville $18,413
Marshall $18,371
Madison $18,187
Woodson $18,140
Westfield $18,121
Hayfield $17,776
Robinson $17,658
Lake Braddock $17,519
South County $17,456
McLean $16,934
Langley $16,881
West Springfield $16,729
Oakton $16,676

Some of the differences seem fairly obvious. High schools with more poor kids and/or Academy programs get the most money. The 7-12 secondary schools are reported as getting less money per pupil because less is spent on kids in grades 7-8 than in grades 9-12. High schools with fewer poor kids, no Academy programs, and AP get the least money. However, it's not clear why schools like Madison and Woodson get more per student than South County, or over $1,000 more per student than McLean, Langley, West Springfield, and Oakton.

Why exactly do the RIO mommies want to stay at Oakton?

Langley, McLean, and Oakton don’t have high numbers of ELL or specialized SPED programs, like CSS so the money that they get goes to more of the students instead of being focused on ELL and high need SPED students. They like it that way.

It's more like FCPS likes to shortchange these schools whenever it has a chance.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The discussion about how much FCPS is going to be spending per pupil at Skyview led me to question what VDOE has been reporting FCPS as spending per pupil at each high school.

The latest VDOE data is from 2023-24:

Lewis $20,687
Falls Church $20,557
Mount Vernon $20,284
Chantilly $19,562
Annandale: $19,535
West Potomac $19,353
Edison $19,231
Herndon $19,205
Justice $18,837
TJ $18,756 [possibly supplemented with private donations through the TJ Partnership Fund]
Fairfax $18,739
South Lakes $18,524
Centreville $18,413
Marshall $18,371
Madison $18,187
Woodson $18,140
Westfield $18,121
Hayfield $17,776
Robinson $17,658
Lake Braddock $17,519
South County $17,456
McLean $16,934
Langley $16,881
West Springfield $16,729
Oakton $16,676

Some of the differences seem fairly obvious. High schools with more poor kids and/or Academy programs get the most money. The 7-12 secondary schools are reported as getting less money per pupil because less is spent on kids in grades 7-8 than in grades 9-12. High schools with fewer poor kids, no Academy programs, and AP get the least money. However, it's not clear why schools like Madison and Woodson get more per student than South County, or over $1,000 more per student than McLean, Langley, West Springfield, and Oakton.

Why exactly do the RIO mommies want to stay at Oakton?

Langley, McLean, and Oakton don’t have high numbers of ELL or specialized SPED programs, like CSS so the money that they get goes to more of the students instead of being focused on ELL and high need SPED students. They like it that way.

Love how these posts bring out the MAGA psychos.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The discussion about how much FCPS is going to be spending per pupil at Skyview led me to question what VDOE has been reporting FCPS as spending per pupil at each high school.

The latest VDOE data is from 2023-24:

Lewis $20,687
Falls Church $20,557
Mount Vernon $20,284
Chantilly $19,562
Annandale: $19,535
West Potomac $19,353
Edison $19,231
Herndon $19,205
Justice $18,837
TJ $18,756 [possibly supplemented with private donations through the TJ Partnership Fund]
Fairfax $18,739
South Lakes $18,524
Centreville $18,413
Marshall $18,371
Madison $18,187
Woodson $18,140
Westfield $18,121
Hayfield $17,776
Robinson $17,658
Lake Braddock $17,519
South County $17,456
McLean $16,934
Langley $16,881
West Springfield $16,729
Oakton $16,676

Some of the differences seem fairly obvious. High schools with more poor kids and/or Academy programs get the most money. The 7-12 secondary schools are reported as getting less money per pupil because less is spent on kids in grades 7-8 than in grades 9-12. High schools with fewer poor kids, no Academy programs, and AP get the least money. However, it's not clear why schools like Madison and Woodson get more per student than South County, or over $1,000 more per student than McLean, Langley, West Springfield, and Oakton.

wow what happened to equity for the performing schools, dumping good money after bad, i'd like to see equal spending across or a voucher, travesity

Yes, absolutely, let's MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. Go back to Europe, immigrant.

Anonymous wrote:The discussion about how much FCPS is going to be spending per pupil at Skyview led me to question what VDOE has been reporting FCPS as spending per pupil at each high school.

The latest VDOE data is from 2023-24:

Lewis $20,687
Falls Church $20,557
Mount Vernon $20,284
Chantilly $19,562
Annandale: $19,535
West Potomac $19,353
Edison $19,231
Herndon $19,205
Justice $18,837
TJ $18,756 [possibly supplemented with private donations through the TJ Partnership Fund]
Fairfax $18,739
South Lakes $18,524
Centreville $18,413
Marshall $18,371
Madison $18,187
Woodson $18,140
Westfield $18,121
Hayfield $17,776
Robinson $17,658
Lake Braddock $17,519
South County $17,456
McLean $16,934
Langley $16,881
West Springfield $16,729
Oakton $16,676

Some of the differences seem fairly obvious. High schools with more poor kids and/or Academy programs get the most money. The 7-12 secondary schools are reported as getting less money per pupil because less is spent on kids in grades 7-8 than in grades 9-12. High schools with fewer poor kids, no Academy programs, and AP get the least money. However, it's not clear why schools like Madison and Woodson get more per student than South County, or over $1,000 more per student than McLean, Langley, West Springfield, and Oakton.

Why exactly do the RIO mommies want to stay at Oakton?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The discussion about how much FCPS is going to be spending per pupil at Skyview led me to question what VDOE has been reporting FCPS as spending per pupil at each high school.

The latest VDOE data is from 2023-24:

Lewis $20,687
Falls Church $20,557
Mount Vernon $20,284
Chantilly $19,562
Annandale: $19,535
West Potomac $19,353
Edison $19,231
Herndon $19,205
Justice $18,837
TJ $18,756 [possibly supplemented with private donations through the TJ Partnership Fund]
Fairfax $18,739
South Lakes $18,524
Centreville $18,413
Marshall $18,371
Madison $18,187
Woodson $18,140
Westfield $18,121
Hayfield $17,776
Robinson $17,658
Lake Braddock $17,519
South County $17,456
McLean $16,934
Langley $16,881
West Springfield $16,729
Oakton $16,676

Some of the differences seem fairly obvious. High schools with more poor kids and/or Academy programs get the most money. The 7-12 secondary schools are reported as getting less money per pupil because less is spent on kids in grades 7-8 than in grades 9-12. High schools with fewer poor kids, no Academy programs, and AP get the least money. However, it's not clear why schools like Madison and Woodson get more per student than South County, or over $1,000 more per student than McLean, Langley, West Springfield, and Oakton.

This is wild. It feels completely socialist. The areas paying the least in taxes are getting the most funding, while families contributing more are effectively subsidizing them. That seems backwards and deeply unfair.

Life isn’t fair. You can move away if you’d like.

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Anonymous wrote:The discussion about how much FCPS is going to be spending per pupil at Skyview led me to question what VDOE has been reporting FCPS as spending per pupil at each high school.

The latest VDOE data is from 2023-24:

Lewis $20,687
Falls Church $20,557
Mount Vernon $20,284
Chantilly $19,562
Annandale: $19,535
West Potomac $19,353
Edison $19,231
Herndon $19,205
Justice $18,837
TJ $18,756 [possibly supplemented with private donations through the TJ Partnership Fund]
Fairfax $18,739
South Lakes $18,524
Centreville $18,413
Marshall $18,371
Madison $18,187
Woodson $18,140
Westfield $18,121
Hayfield $17,776
Robinson $17,658
Lake Braddock $17,519
South County $17,456
McLean $16,934
Langley $16,881
West Springfield $16,729
Oakton $16,676

Some of the differences seem fairly obvious. High schools with more poor kids and/or Academy programs get the most money. The 7-12 secondary schools are reported as getting less money per pupil because less is spent on kids in grades 7-8 than in grades 9-12. High schools with fewer poor kids, no Academy programs, and AP get the least money. However, it's not clear why schools like Madison and Woodson get more per student than South County, or over $1,000 more per student than McLean, Langley, West Springfield, and Oakton.

Madison and Woodson have CSS programs. Woodson also has the DHOH program. I don't think any of the other 5 schools you mentioned have any large special ed programs.

They may not have CSS but all of the other schools besides Oakton have other special education programs.