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Anonymous wrote:This was all led by the federal government. Their managers had no way to track people at home or to discipline people who weren't working at home. There weren't many of these people but they ruined it for everyone. Clearly managers could have been given more tools to manage, but they'd rather have butts in seats.

Complete BS that performance had anything to do with federal RTO. Sorry, but they (i.e. Russ Vought) want people to quit and that's all there is to it.

+1. My office has had quantifiable performance output for years. The deal was always meet your goals and we don't care what you do. If not THEN you'd have to come back to work in person. So everyone always made sure to meet their daily goal. Well then got told to RTO anyway last year because I'm lazy? Well guess what? We're demonstrably LESS productive due to decrease in flexibility. Many people used to telework through a minor cold, now they call in sick for a few days. It adds up. And now upper management is making a mistake by becoming even more micromanaging with continuing to limit flexibility in other ways like strict core hours. Well that doesn't work when the internet at work is out. Sorry, I'm not staying late to meet my goal like I would have when teleworking. Really, a bunch of clowns there.

Anonymous wrote:This was all led by the federal government. Their managers had no way to track people at home or to discipline people who weren't working at home. There weren't many of these people but they ruined it for everyone. Clearly managers could have been given more tools to manage, but they'd rather have butts in seats.

This is total BS. We have a job to do and we need to do it. You can tell if work is not getting done regardless of where the employee is. RTO is just changing location. There is no further monitoring or even collaboration than before.

If they didn't think that f2f interactions with butts in proximity mattered then AI could replace you asap. So think on that. You could have lots of balance with no job.

Anonymous wrote:If AI is taking all our jobs, there will be no one to buy all the goods being produced and the economy will collapse.

We've had the technology for machines to build houses for many years. I still see constructions sites filled with human workers.

The only people who think AI are going to take all the jobs are the people CREATING the AI products and trying to sell them.

Actually, the universe of people who think this is coming is a lot bigger than just people creating the AI products.

A YouGov poll that just came out this week finds 77% believe AI is a threat to humanity. 63% say it will hurt the economy and eliminate jobs.

https://www.ibtimes.com/polls-reveal-what-americans-really-think-rapid-ai-boom-3797840

So maybe try not to be a dumbass dipshit with claims like the one you made. The anxiety is real and widespread. It's not just people making the tools.

Is that 7-7 job the norm? What industry?

My favorite AI-related directive at work is to "collaborate" with it to generate ideas while insisting we all still need to come into the office to collaborate with colleagues. So if I collaborate with my colleagues in person rather than with AI, I get dinged in my review next year?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was all led by the federal government. Their managers had no way to track people at home or to discipline people who weren't working at home. There weren't many of these people but they ruined it for everyone. Clearly managers could have been given more tools to manage, but they'd rather have butts in seats.

Feds use MS Teams. Pretty easy to track who is available. Bad managers try to track the worker, good managers track the work. If I assign tasks and they are completed on time and of high quality, do I give a crap if he got it done between rounds of golf? I'll take that than the person surfing the net on their phone but in their cubical all day.

But that is not a real world job. Even in office it is a pure 9-5 role no OT, tons of vacation and sick days So in person not much different than home.

But when I worked a very demanding in person job I was at work 8am to 8pm five days a week, a sweatshop. You cant recreate that remote for that work output. I would say my staff and my self in one day I did two weeks of work hybid or remote.

Why? imagine not only are you working like a dog 12 hours a day everyone is in. We could get help, hold meetings, talk to IT at 7pm in person.

You can hold people hostage in person

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Anonymous wrote:You can collaborate and invent new ideas without being in the same physical space with folks.

Not as effectively. I require my team to come in 3 days a week and we are the most productive team - small efficient and utilize AI. None of us are replaceable. I did get layoff one guy who didn’t come in because his productivity severely lacked compared to others.

You sound like a poor manager.

Anonymous wrote:This was all led by the federal government. Their managers had no way to track people at home or to discipline people who weren't working at home. There weren't many of these people but they ruined it for everyone. Clearly managers could have been given more tools to manage, but they'd rather have butts in seats.

Feds use MS Teams. Pretty easy to track who is available. Bad managers try to track the worker, good managers track the work. If I assign tasks and they are completed on time and of high quality, do I give a crap if he got it done between rounds of golf? I'll take that than the person surfing the net on their phone but in their cubical all day.

Anonymous wrote:They want people to quit. When you remember that it all makes sense.

Bingo!

Anonymous wrote:The Wall Street Journal has an article today that work from home is pretty much going away.

Remote jobs are 4 times harder to get than in office.

Remote jobs are harder to get because everyone realized during covid that there is very little that needs an office. Except of course the rich people who own the office buildings. They are very sure in person work is the future. Just like cigarettes were recommended to pregnant women based off "studies" from *checks notes* big tobacco.

Anonymous wrote:This was all led by the federal government. Their managers had no way to track people at home or to discipline people who weren't working at home. There weren't many of these people but they ruined it for everyone. Clearly managers could have been given more tools to manage, but they'd rather have butts in seats.

Complete BS that performance had anything to do with federal RTO. Sorry, but they (i.e. Russ Vought) want people to quit and that's all there is to it.

Anonymous wrote:If AI is taking all our jobs, there will be no one to buy all the goods being produced and the economy will collapse.

We've had the technology for machines to build houses for many years. I still see constructions sites filled with human workers.

The only people who think AI are going to take all the jobs are the people CREATING the AI products and trying to sell them.

The the fear mongers on this site.

Anonymous wrote:You can collaborate and invent new ideas without being in the same physical space with folks.

Not as effectively. I require my team to come in 3 days a week and we are the most productive team - small efficient and utilize AI. None of us are replaceable. I did get layoff one guy who didn’t come in because his productivity severely lacked compared to others.

The Wall Street Journal has an article today that work from home is pretty much going away.

Remote jobs are 4 times harder to get than in office.