Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My son, now in 12th grade, is 2E - intellectually gifted and with severe ADHD. We’re also in a large public high school (not in MCPS). We were in a similar position going into 9th grade, and my son really wanted to take honors and AP classes - similar to your son in that he was afraid of being bored, is naturally very intellectually curious, and wanted to be in classes with other kids who care about learning.
We did a few things that ended up working well for him: First, he does have a very supportive 504 plan with lots of accommodations – extra time on tests, flexibility to turn in assignments late when he forgot them, and the option to reduce certain homework assignments (like doing every other math problem). We also gave him a lot of support at home - I helped him organize his homework plan every day after school, helped him set up study plans for tests, etc. Basically EF support. He also had to limit activities that happened immediately after school, since his ADHD meds would wear off around 6pm and he had to get all his homework done after school.
And last, we essentially lowered our (and especially his) expectations of his grades. Even though we knew he had the intellectual ability to get A’s, because of his slow processing speed and his meds wearing off in the early evening, he just couldn’t “grind” work out. He couldn’t study for tests as much as he often needed to, and he had to do a lot of homework on the weekends. He ended up taking nearly all honors classes, with a few AP classes in his favorite subjects (math and science), and he’ll be graduating with mostly B’s (and a handful of A’s).
Over time he got better at organizing his work, and now that he’s a senior I no longer need to provide EF support (he still misses assignments here and there). He also got into his first choice college (for engineering), and overall has been engaged with school and enjoys learning. I think if we had really pushed him to get A’s, it would’ve affected his mental health, and if he had avoided honors and AP classes, he would’ve been really bored.
I would love if you could share which engineering school. Really looking for one that is realistic with a lot of Bs!
Sure, it’s RIT. Also got into Rose Hulman and Clarkson. He did well on his SAT and AP tests, so I think that helped even though he had lots of B’s.
Thank you! RIT is on our list and also considering RH but we’re a little nervous about the location. Clarkson in NY?
Anonymous wrote:OP here. To the PPs above with the helpful long posts, thank you so much for this. I will definitely take all of your points into account, especially about tempering my expectations around grades and the EF coach. Were there any particular AP or honors classes that were good for your kid who is going to study engineering? My son also wants to study engineering and I feel like not only do I have to figure out how to make school 'work' for him --- but also how to take the 'right' classes to get into an engineering degree. It is a lot even though I work in a school. I am an ELA teacher in VA and just don't know that much about math and science in MoCo.
To the PP who keeps insisting that these kids should not take advanced classes. Let me repeat - your attitude damages children. These students die emotionally of boredom and give up on school without the right help and right challenge. Please read this and consider it: https://qz.com/317309/how-some-of-americas-most-gifted-kids-wind-up-in-prison
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here. To the PPs above with the helpful long posts, thank you so much for this. I will definitely take all of your points into account, especially about tempering my expectations around grades and the EF coach. Were there any particular AP or honors classes that were good for your kid who is going to study engineering? My son also wants to study engineering and I feel like not only do I have to figure out how to make school 'work' for him --- but also how to take the 'right' classes to get into an engineering degree. It is a lot even though I work in a school. I am an ELA teacher in VA and just don't know that much about math and science in MoCo.
To the PP who keeps insisting that these kids should not take advanced classes. Let me repeat - your attitude damages children. These students die emotionally of boredom and give up on school without the right help and right challenge. Please read this and consider it: https://qz.com/317309/how-some-of-americas-most-gifted-kids-wind-up-in-prison
The thing that worries me here is how much work you’re taking on to make the school work for him. What’s going to happen in college? ADHD doesn’t go away, and he won’t have learned how to make the school work for him because he’s spent so much time just trying to keep up with the classes.
Anonymous wrote:OP here. To the PPs above with the helpful long posts, thank you so much for this. I will definitely take all of your points into account, especially about tempering my expectations around grades and the EF coach. Were there any particular AP or honors classes that were good for your kid who is going to study engineering? My son also wants to study engineering and I feel like not only do I have to figure out how to make school 'work' for him --- but also how to take the 'right' classes to get into an engineering degree. It is a lot even though I work in a school. I am an ELA teacher in VA and just don't know that much about math and science in MoCo.
To the PP who keeps insisting that these kids should not take advanced classes. Let me repeat - your attitude damages children. These students die emotionally of boredom and give up on school without the right help and right challenge. Please read this and consider it: https://qz.com/317309/how-some-of-americas-most-gifted-kids-wind-up-in-prison
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My son, now in 12th grade, is 2E - intellectually gifted and with severe ADHD. We’re also in a large public high school (not in MCPS). We were in a similar position going into 9th grade, and my son really wanted to take honors and AP classes - similar to your son in that he was afraid of being bored, is naturally very intellectually curious, and wanted to be in classes with other kids who care about learning.
We did a few things that ended up working well for him: First, he does have a very supportive 504 plan with lots of accommodations – extra time on tests, flexibility to turn in assignments late when he forgot them, and the option to reduce certain homework assignments (like doing every other math problem). We also gave him a lot of support at home - I helped him organize his homework plan every day after school, helped him set up study plans for tests, etc. Basically EF support. He also had to limit activities that happened immediately after school, since his ADHD meds would wear off around 6pm and he had to get all his homework done after school.
And last, we essentially lowered our (and especially his) expectations of his grades. Even though we knew he had the intellectual ability to get A’s, because of his slow processing speed and his meds wearing off in the early evening, he just couldn’t “grind” work out. He couldn’t study for tests as much as he often needed to, and he had to do a lot of homework on the weekends. He ended up taking nearly all honors classes, with a few AP classes in his favorite subjects (math and science), and he’ll be graduating with mostly B’s (and a handful of A’s).
Over time he got better at organizing his work, and now that he’s a senior I no longer need to provide EF support (he still misses assignments here and there). He also got into his first choice college (for engineering), and overall has been engaged with school and enjoys learning. I think if we had really pushed him to get A’s, it would’ve affected his mental health, and if he had avoided honors and AP classes, he would’ve been really bored.
I would love if you could share which engineering school. Really looking for one that is realistic with a lot of Bs!
Sure, it’s RIT. Also got into Rose Hulman and Clarkson. He did well on his SAT and AP tests, so I think that helped even though he had lots of B’s.
Anonymous wrote:OP here. To the PPs above with the helpful long posts, thank you so much for this. I will definitely take all of your points into account, especially about tempering my expectations around grades and the EF coach. Were there any particular AP or honors classes that were good for your kid who is going to study engineering? My son also wants to study engineering and I feel like not only do I have to figure out how to make school 'work' for him --- but also how to take the 'right' classes to get into an engineering degree. It is a lot even though I work in a school. I am an ELA teacher in VA and just don't know that much about math and science in MoCo.
To the PP who keeps insisting that these kids should not take advanced classes. Let me repeat - your attitude damages children. These students die emotionally of boredom and give up on school without the right help and right challenge. Please read this and consider it: https://qz.com/317309/how-some-of-americas-most-gifted-kids-wind-up-in-prison
Anonymous wrote:OP here. To the PPs above with the helpful long posts, thank you so much for this. I will definitely take all of your points into account, especially about tempering my expectations around grades and the EF coach. Were there any particular AP or honors classes that were good for your kid who is going to study engineering? My son also wants to study engineering and I feel like not only do I have to figure out how to make school 'work' for him --- but also how to take the 'right' classes to get into an engineering degree. It is a lot even though I work in a school. I am an ELA teacher in VA and just don't know that much about math and science in MoCo.
To the PP who keeps insisting that these kids should not take advanced classes. Let me repeat - your attitude damages children. These students die emotionally of boredom and give up on school without the right help and right challenge. Please read this and consider it: https://qz.com/317309/how-some-of-americas-most-gifted-kids-wind-up-in-prison
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here. To the PPs above with the helpful long posts, thank you so much for this. I will definitely take all of your points into account, especially about tempering my expectations around grades and the EF coach. Were there any particular AP or honors classes that were good for your kid who is going to study engineering? My son also wants to study engineering and I feel like not only do I have to figure out how to make school 'work' for him --- but also how to take the 'right' classes to get into an engineering degree. It is a lot even though I work in a school. I am an ELA teacher in VA and just don't know that much about math and science in MoCo.
To the PP who keeps insisting that these kids should not take advanced classes. Let me repeat - your attitude damages children. These students die emotionally of boredom and give up on school without the right help and right challenge. Please read this and consider it: https://qz.com/317309/how-some-of-americas-most-gifted-kids-wind-up-in-prison
It sounds like your $hitty teaching is what actually damages children.
Anonymous wrote:OP here. To the PPs above with the helpful long posts, thank you so much for this. I will definitely take all of your points into account, especially about tempering my expectations around grades and the EF coach. Were there any particular AP or honors classes that were good for your kid who is going to study engineering? My son also wants to study engineering and I feel like not only do I have to figure out how to make school 'work' for him --- but also how to take the 'right' classes to get into an engineering degree. It is a lot even though I work in a school. I am an ELA teacher in VA and just don't know that much about math and science in MoCo.
To the PP who keeps insisting that these kids should not take advanced classes. Let me repeat - your attitude damages children. These students die emotionally of boredom and give up on school without the right help and right challenge. Please read this and consider it: https://qz.com/317309/how-some-of-americas-most-gifted-kids-wind-up-in-prison
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why a kid should get extended time to take advanced classes. If the kid is so “bored” in regular class he should use that time to work on executive functioning until he is able to take advanced classes without all of the hand holding and extras. It’s just ridiculous. I realize that pride is at stake for the parents of these kids, but it’s gone too far.
Yeah, too bad Junior can do Differential Equations in high school. He should sit in Algebra 1 until he can write fast enough for the teacher.
Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why a kid should get extended time to take advanced classes. If the kid is so “bored” in regular class he should use that time to work on executive functioning until he is able to take advanced classes without all of the hand holding and extras. It’s just ridiculous. I realize that pride is at stake for the parents of these kids, but it’s gone too far.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My son, now in 12th grade, is 2E - intellectually gifted and with severe ADHD. We’re also in a large public high school (not in MCPS). We were in a similar position going into 9th grade, and my son really wanted to take honors and AP classes - similar to your son in that he was afraid of being bored, is naturally very intellectually curious, and wanted to be in classes with other kids who care about learning.
We did a few things that ended up working well for him: First, he does have a very supportive 504 plan with lots of accommodations – extra time on tests, flexibility to turn in assignments late when he forgot them, and the option to reduce certain homework assignments (like doing every other math problem). We also gave him a lot of support at home - I helped him organize his homework plan every day after school, helped him set up study plans for tests, etc. Basically EF support. He also had to limit activities that happened immediately after school, since his ADHD meds would wear off around 6pm and he had to get all his homework done after school.
And last, we essentially lowered our (and especially his) expectations of his grades. Even though we knew he had the intellectual ability to get A’s, because of his slow processing speed and his meds wearing off in the early evening, he just couldn’t “grind” work out. He couldn’t study for tests as much as he often needed to, and he had to do a lot of homework on the weekends. He ended up taking nearly all honors classes, with a few AP classes in his favorite subjects (math and science), and he’ll be graduating with mostly B’s (and a handful of A’s).
Over time he got better at organizing his work, and now that he’s a senior I no longer need to provide EF support (he still misses assignments here and there). He also got into his first choice college (for engineering), and overall has been engaged with school and enjoys learning. I think if we had really pushed him to get A’s, it would’ve affected his mental health, and if he had avoided honors and AP classes, he would’ve been really bored.
I would love if you could share which engineering school. Really looking for one that is realistic with a lot of Bs!