Anonymous wrote:What are they building nunneries? This seems like a Bill that has one or two applications in mind rather than one that will have broad impact.
Explain this to me, because I’m not getting it.

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like Richmond is going to override local zoning rules and force Fairfax to approve development at a minimum of 20 units per acre on any land owned by churches or non-profits. The only requirement is that 60% of the housing units must be reserved for low income housing. Which areas of the county and school pyramids will be the least impacted by this policy? At this point. I'm honestly just thinking about sending my kids to private school k-12. This state zoning law is going to ruin all of the schools in Fairfax county

God forbid your kid has to have contact with some low-income families.

I am explaining the limitations of the law. Not saying that the low income housing is bad, but that my kids schools will be overcrowded if every church can now build high density apartments by right.

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Anonymous wrote:The County is also interested in approving more tiny houses in backyards, to further increase and concentrate the population. Motivated by the prospect of more tax revenue, presumably.

God forbid you can build an ADU for your aging parent on your property, rather than put Mom in a nursing home.

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Anonymous wrote:The County is also interested in approving more tiny houses in backyards, to further increase and concentrate the population. Motivated by the prospect of more tax revenue, presumably.

God forbid you can build an ADU for your aging parent on your property, rather than put Mom in a nursing home.

I think ADUs with proper setbacks are much better than this stupid law.

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Anonymous wrote:The County is also interested in approving more tiny houses in backyards, to further increase and concentrate the population. Motivated by the prospect of more tax revenue, presumably.

God forbid you can build an ADU for your aging parent on your property, rather than put Mom in a nursing home.

Anonymous wrote:And what exactly is "low income"?
In another state I'm more familiar with --$108,000 /yr for a married couple. Does this offend you Op?

Anonymous wrote:The County is also interested in approving more tiny houses in backyards, to further increase and concentrate the population. Motivated by the prospect of more tax revenue, presumably.

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like Richmond is going to override local zoning rules and force Fairfax to approve development at a minimum of 20 units per acre on any land owned by churches or non-profits. The only requirement is that 60% of the housing units must be reserved for low income housing. Which areas of the county and school pyramids will be the least impacted by this policy? At this point. I'm honestly just thinking about sending my kids to private school k-12. This state zoning law is going to ruin all of the schools in Fairfax county

This law would apply across the entire state, and not just in Fairfax. It would not force churches or non-profits to sell their land for redevelopment, or prevent them from selling their land to developers who want to build large single-family homes or market-rate condos or townhouses. What it would be is allow churches or non-profits to avoid rezoning approvals they otherwise might be required to obtain under local laws if they sell properties that are redeveloped with denser, affordable housing.

The county is already pushing for more affordable housing, and will continue to do so regardless of whether this law gets signed or vetoed by Spanberger. There are several such projects under consideration in the Marshall district - you can read about the proposals for the Vine Church redevelopment on Gallows Road in Dunn Loring. Developers aren't going to build such housing, however, unless they think it's economically viable.

That is disingenuous. The law does not allow developers to build a large single family home neighborhood. The numbers won’t pencil out for that because of the AMI cap. You can’t build large single family homes for the 60% that is limited to 120% of AMI. The 30 year affordability covenants required will also make it hard to sell single family homes subject to this requirement. It’s basically going to be used to build high density townhouses or apartment building in most circumstances in Fairfax county.

I think you misunderstand the law. The law does not prevent a church or non-profit from selling their property to a developer to build a large single-family home neighborhood. However, in that case, the developer would have to go through all the steps necessary to ensure the development complies with local zoning laws that address lot sizes, etc. Or, if the area was generally zoned for larger lots, and the church or non-profit wanted to sell to a developer who wanted to build townhouses, the developer might have to seek a zoning variance or get the property rezoned.

This law would allow a developer to bypass those steps, provided the housing met the density requirements and the residents met the income requirements. So it basically fast-tracks redevelopment for affordable housing. But it does not limit redevelopment to AH.

As for development in Fairfax County these days, most new development in the county now is multi-family housing, not single-family housing. In many instances, that can be good for schools, if you end up with more residents without kids paying taxes. That's why Arlington - with a lower percentage of school-age kids than Fairfax - have nicer school buildings and smaller class sizes than Fairfax.

You didn’t read the law. It requires 60% of the housing units to be affordable at 120% of ami if they are owner occupied. It’s not possible for a developer to build a single family house in Fairfax county for 600k or less and make money on it.

I’ve explained it to you and you’re now either just being stupid or intentionally obtuse. Is your intent simply to mislead?

Point out the section that says that. I don't see it. It seems like you have to do 60% affordable or there is no by-right density at all.

The point I am making is that the developments will be almost exclusively townhouse or condos, so the density of these projects will be on the higher end. Without the crazy AMI cap you would get more development that actually fits with the density of the surrounding neighborhoods. Not a well written law.

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like Richmond is going to override local zoning rules and force Fairfax to approve development at a minimum of 20 units per acre on any land owned by churches or non-profits. The only requirement is that 60% of the housing units must be reserved for low income housing. Which areas of the county and school pyramids will be the least impacted by this policy? At this point. I'm honestly just thinking about sending my kids to private school k-12. This state zoning law is going to ruin all of the schools in Fairfax county

This law would apply across the entire state, and not just in Fairfax. It would not force churches or non-profits to sell their land for redevelopment, or prevent them from selling their land to developers who want to build large single-family homes or market-rate condos or townhouses. What it would be is allow churches or non-profits to avoid rezoning approvals they otherwise might be required to obtain under local laws if they sell properties that are redeveloped with denser, affordable housing.

The county is already pushing for more affordable housing, and will continue to do so regardless of whether this law gets signed or vetoed by Spanberger. There are several such projects under consideration in the Marshall district - you can read about the proposals for the Vine Church redevelopment on Gallows Road in Dunn Loring. Developers aren't going to build such housing, however, unless they think it's economically viable.

That is disingenuous. The law does not allow developers to build a large single family home neighborhood. The numbers won’t pencil out for that because of the AMI cap. You can’t build large single family homes for the 60% that is limited to 120% of AMI. The 30 year affordability covenants required will also make it hard to sell single family homes subject to this requirement. It’s basically going to be used to build high density townhouses or apartment building in most circumstances in Fairfax county.

I think you misunderstand the law. The law does not prevent a church or non-profit from selling their property to a developer to build a large single-family home neighborhood. However, in that case, the developer would have to go through all the steps necessary to ensure the development complies with local zoning laws that address lot sizes, etc. Or, if the area was generally zoned for larger lots, and the church or non-profit wanted to sell to a developer who wanted to build townhouses, the developer might have to seek a zoning variance or get the property rezoned.

This law would allow a developer to bypass those steps, provided the housing met the density requirements and the residents met the income requirements. So it basically fast-tracks redevelopment for affordable housing. But it does not limit redevelopment to AH.

As for development in Fairfax County these days, most new development in the county now is multi-family housing, not single-family housing. In many instances, that can be good for schools, if you end up with more residents without kids paying taxes. That's why Arlington - with a lower percentage of school-age kids than Fairfax - have nicer school buildings and smaller class sizes than Fairfax.

You didn’t read the law. It requires 60% of the housing units to be affordable at 120% of ami if they are owner occupied. It’s not possible for a developer to build a single family house in Fairfax county for 600k or less and make money on it.

I’ve explained it to you and you’re now either just being stupid or intentionally obtuse. Is your intent simply to mislead?

Point out the section that says that. I don't see it. It seems like you have to do 60% affordable or there is no by-right density at all.

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like Richmond is going to override local zoning rules and force Fairfax to approve development at a minimum of 20 units per acre on any land owned by churches or non-profits. The only requirement is that 60% of the housing units must be reserved for low income housing. Which areas of the county and school pyramids will be the least impacted by this policy? At this point. I'm honestly just thinking about sending my kids to private school k-12. This state zoning law is going to ruin all of the schools in Fairfax county

This law would apply across the entire state, and not just in Fairfax. It would not force churches or non-profits to sell their land for redevelopment, or prevent them from selling their land to developers who want to build large single-family homes or market-rate condos or townhouses. What it would be is allow churches or non-profits to avoid rezoning approvals they otherwise might be required to obtain under local laws if they sell properties that are redeveloped with denser, affordable housing.

The county is already pushing for more affordable housing, and will continue to do so regardless of whether this law gets signed or vetoed by Spanberger. There are several such projects under consideration in the Marshall district - you can read about the proposals for the Vine Church redevelopment on Gallows Road in Dunn Loring. Developers aren't going to build such housing, however, unless they think it's economically viable.

That is disingenuous. The law does not allow developers to build a large single family home neighborhood. The numbers won’t pencil out for that because of the AMI cap. You can’t build large single family homes for the 60% that is limited to 120% of AMI. The 30 year affordability covenants required will also make it hard to sell single family homes subject to this requirement. It’s basically going to be used to build high density townhouses or apartment building in most circumstances in Fairfax county.

I think you misunderstand the law. The law does not prevent a church or non-profit from selling their property to a developer to build a large single-family home neighborhood. However, in that case, the developer would have to go through all the steps necessary to ensure the development complies with local zoning laws that address lot sizes, etc. Or, if the area was generally zoned for larger lots, and the church or non-profit wanted to sell to a developer who wanted to build townhouses, the developer might have to seek a zoning variance or get the property rezoned.

This law would allow a developer to bypass those steps, provided the housing met the density requirements and the residents met the income requirements. So it basically fast-tracks redevelopment for affordable housing. But it does not limit redevelopment to AH.

As for development in Fairfax County these days, most new development in the county now is multi-family housing, not single-family housing. In many instances, that can be good for schools, if you end up with more residents without kids paying taxes. That's why Arlington - with a lower percentage of school-age kids than Fairfax - have nicer school buildings and smaller class sizes than Fairfax.

You didn’t read the law. It requires 60% of the housing units to be affordable at 120% of ami if they are owner occupied. It’s not possible for a developer to build a single family house in Fairfax county for 600k or less and make money on it.

I’ve explained it to you and you’re now either just being stupid or intentionally obtuse. Is your intent simply to mislead?

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like Richmond is going to override local zoning rules and force Fairfax to approve development at a minimum of 20 units per acre on any land owned by churches or non-profits. The only requirement is that 60% of the housing units must be reserved for low income housing. Which areas of the county and school pyramids will be the least impacted by this policy? At this point. I'm honestly just thinking about sending my kids to private school k-12. This state zoning law is going to ruin all of the schools in Fairfax county

This law would apply across the entire state, and not just in Fairfax. It would not force churches or non-profits to sell their land for redevelopment, or prevent them from selling their land to developers who want to build large single-family homes or market-rate condos or townhouses. What it would be is allow churches or non-profits to avoid rezoning approvals they otherwise might be required to obtain under local laws if they sell properties that are redeveloped with denser, affordable housing.

The county is already pushing for more affordable housing, and will continue to do so regardless of whether this law gets signed or vetoed by Spanberger. There are several such projects under consideration in the Marshall district - you can read about the proposals for the Vine Church redevelopment on Gallows Road in Dunn Loring. Developers aren't going to build such housing, however, unless they think it's economically viable.

That is disingenuous. The law does not allow developers to build a large single family home neighborhood. The numbers won’t pencil out for that because of the AMI cap. You can’t build large single family homes for the 60% that is limited to 120% of AMI. The 30 year affordability covenants required will also make it hard to sell single family homes subject to this requirement. It’s basically going to be used to build high density townhouses or apartment building in most circumstances in Fairfax county.

I think you misunderstand the law. The law does not prevent a church or non-profit from selling their property to a developer to build a large single-family home neighborhood. However, in that case, the developer would have to go through all the steps necessary to ensure the development complies with local zoning laws that address lot sizes, etc. Or, if the area was generally zoned for larger lots, and the church or non-profit wanted to sell to a developer who wanted to build townhouses, the developer might have to seek a zoning variance or get the property rezoned.

This law would allow a developer to bypass those steps, provided the housing met the density requirements and the residents met the income requirements. So it basically fast-tracks redevelopment for affordable housing. But it does not limit redevelopment to AH.

As for development in Fairfax County these days, most new development in the county now is multi-family housing, not single-family housing. In many instances, that can be good for schools, if you end up with more residents without kids paying taxes. That's why Arlington - with a lower percentage of school-age kids than Fairfax - have nicer school buildings and smaller class sizes than Fairfax.

You didn’t read the law. It requires 60% of the housing units to be affordable at 120% of ami if they are owner occupied. It’s not possible for a developer to build a single family house in Fairfax county for 600k or less and make money on it.

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like Richmond is going to override local zoning rules and force Fairfax to approve development at a minimum of 20 units per acre on any land owned by churches or non-profits. The only requirement is that 60% of the housing units must be reserved for low income housing. Which areas of the county and school pyramids will be the least impacted by this policy? At this point. I'm honestly just thinking about sending my kids to private school k-12. This state zoning law is going to ruin all of the schools in Fairfax county

God forbid your kid has to have contact with some low-income families.

I am explaining the limitations of the law. Not saying that the low income housing is bad, but that my kids schools will be overcrowded if every church can now build high density apartments by right.