Anonymous wrote:SCOIR only shows gpa and test score not other student’s transcript. You people have zero idea who has uw 4.0, or A- vs A, etc.

Anonymous wrote:SCOIR only shows gpa and test score not other student’s transcript. You people have zero idea who has uw 4.0, or A- vs A, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Why colleges with tens of thousands of applicants would eliminate pluses and minuses from grades and then believe it is a better apples to apples comparison is beyond logic and belief. You're actually decreasing the probability of getting appropriate apples to apples comparisons among students even within the same school. You're reducing differences among students whose admission should and does depend on relatively small differences. Standardized tests are precisely what affords the best apples to apples comparisons. Professors at these universities should set admissions criteria and take the blob of adminstrations right out of the university. What nonsense.

The answer is because a lot of high schools do not use pluses and minuses for grades, so you are getting a better comparison across schools. But yes, within the same school or school system it would be better to take them into account. With regard to Stanford and the UC system, I believe the driver is that most Cal public schools do not use pluses and minuses.

I know UC makes you input A- as A in their admissions portal so they dont see the A-. But for Stanford you have to send transcripts and I would not think a kid with 3.85 gpa (half A and half A-) will be viewed the same as a 4.0 with all As. I am curious how a these two kids will be treated by Stanford.

In our experience it makes a big difference. the kids with a mix of As and A minuses from our private school (say GPA of 3.88--my kid and similar) are never admitted, regardless of strength of extracurriculars, etc but the flat straight A, 4.0 kids are admitted on occasion.

So while they say "all forms of an A are an A" in practice they ARE looking at the A minuses. college counseling told us this but we went ahead and tried (3.88 with super, super strong extra curricular profile and test scores) and college counseling was correct--our kid was outright rejected in favor of a kid with a perfect GPA. And the data supports this every year.

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Anonymous wrote:Stanford removes minuses and pluses. Not sure about the other schools. Don't stress about an A- senior year; that's not what's going to keep your senior out of that school.

Yale also counts an A- as an A, according to their former AO.

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Anonymous wrote:Why colleges with tens of thousands of applicants would eliminate pluses and minuses from grades and then believe it is a better apples to apples comparison is beyond logic and belief. You're actually decreasing the probability of getting appropriate apples to apples comparisons among students even within the same school. You're reducing differences among students whose admission should and does depend on relatively small differences. Standardized tests are precisely what affords the best apples to apples comparisons. Professors at these universities should set admissions criteria and take the blob of adminstrations right out of the university. What nonsense.

The answer is because a lot of high schools do not use pluses and minuses for grades, so you are getting a better comparison across schools. But yes, within the same school or school system it would be better to take them into account. With regard to Stanford and the UC system, I believe the driver is that most Cal public schools do not use pluses and minuses.

I know UC makes you input A- as A in their admissions portal so they dont see the A-. But for Stanford you have to send transcripts and I would not think a kid with 3.85 gpa (half A and half A-) will be viewed the same as a 4.0 with all As. I am curious how a these two kids will be treated by Stanford.