Anonymous wrote:ive been seeing more and more 3 million pluses in Vienna. times are changing, i guess mclean is 4 mill + now?

New construction in Mclean is easily north of 4 mil. At least in some areas.

ive been seeing more and more 3 million pluses in Vienna. times are changing, i guess mclean is 4 mill + now?

OP, when are you going to post the actual Mclean "comparable property" example you are referring to in your title? Or is this another one of the "bait" threads?

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Anonymous wrote:Dear god, why does every single Vienna-related post turn into a discussion about Maple Ave traffic?

How about the insanity of a $3million house in a neighborhood geared toward families? In what reality could a young family afford this type of house? We live in Vienna, and I've been shocked by the rise in $2.5 million houses (all of which continue to sit on the market)....

Because whenever someone mentions the traffic, even in passing, some Vienna resident will come on here and claim Vienna residents know how to avoid it, which is BS.

Just because a neighborhood is geared towards families doesn't mean it's not increasingly geared towards wealthy ones. Relatively little of Vienna is as walkable as some in Vienna like to claim, but if you're just a few blocks from Church and Maple a new single-family house will cost a lot. If you live somewhere off Ware or Tapawingo a good bit further from Maple, it won't cost as much, especially if you're zoned to Marshall Road or Cunningham Park ES, as opposed to Louise Archer, Wolftrap, or Vienna ES.

Well, duh, Vienna is huge and there is housing in all ranges. There are going to be pricey new homes (3 mil is hardly eye popping for DC metro in general for new construction) and there are going to be more affordable homes and older homes and tear downs and everything in between.

Why I asked the OP to provide this "comparable example" of Mclean property, which is literally in her title. Because all I said above about Vienna also applies to Mclean (houses in diff price ranges, some parts being more premium than others, etc)

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Anonymous wrote:Carpet? Yuck. Frankly I'd rather live in McLean than Vienna any day.

Maple street is beyond annoying. I have to go there for some errands and I wouldn’t want to live there to deal with it daily

+1. huge problem with Vienna - you have only one avenue of ingress and egress.

This is just incorrect and anyone that lives in Vienna knows how to get around Maple.

You’re both wrong. No one who lives in Vienna doesn’t end up spending a ton of time stuck in traffic on Maple, even if you can avoid it some of the time.

For example, I could avoid Maple going to work, but I couldn’t avoid it running errands or dropping my kid off at ES or HS. People in Vienna make a huge deal about Church Street but that’s not where 95% of the amenities are located.

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I go around Church street and I hate this area because of how small and congested side parking lots are. It's the epitome of annoying when you have to do your errands by car and in an area where parking is competitive (unlike in urban setting where you would walk and don't care). I get it that people living near the area can walk, but this is a major commercial strip for a very large and sprawled out suburban community where most commercial activity is along one busy street.

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Anonymous wrote:Carpet? Yuck. Frankly I'd rather live in McLean than Vienna any day.

Maple street is beyond annoying. I have to go there for some errands and I wouldn’t want to live there to deal with it daily

+1. huge problem with Vienna - you have only one avenue of ingress and egress.

This is just incorrect and anyone that lives in Vienna knows how to get around Maple.

I am not talking about commute here.. It's about shopping/dining there, it's annoying to get in and out of parking lots due to high traffic and relatively narrow points of entry into some parking lots. The design where the street is used for through traffic (as a major street) while also is used for vast majority of this town's commercial activity (which has to be done by car because it's suburbia) is inherently terrible. People going in an out of parking lots constantly + people passing through (commuting or going places) creates chaos. The road is just too narrow and tight, there is no "urban grid" where businesses also line side streets to relieve the need to use Maple street for everything. It's also hard to maintain it without potholes or widen it since it's so heavily utilized. Whatever "grid" there is, is anemic and parking lots are so crowded, it's often impossible to find parking. Living in suburbia and struggling to find parking is a terrible concept.

Anonymous wrote:Dear god, why does every single Vienna-related post turn into a discussion about Maple Ave traffic?

How about the insanity of a $3million house in a neighborhood geared toward families? In what reality could a young family afford this type of house? We live in Vienna, and I've been shocked by the rise in $2.5 million houses (all of which continue to sit on the market)....

Because whenever someone mentions the traffic, even in passing, some Vienna resident will come on here and claim Vienna residents know how to avoid it, which is BS.

Just because a neighborhood is geared towards families doesn't mean it's not increasingly geared towards wealthy ones. Relatively little of Vienna is as walkable as some in Vienna like to claim, but if you're just a few blocks from Church and Maple a new single-family house will cost a lot. If you live somewhere off Ware or Tapawingo a good bit further from Maple, it won't cost as much, especially if you're zoned to Marshall Road or Cunningham Park ES, as opposed to Louise Archer, Wolftrap, or Vienna ES.

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Anonymous wrote:Carpet? Yuck. Frankly I'd rather live in McLean than Vienna any day.

Maple street is beyond annoying. I have to go there for some errands and I wouldn’t want to live there to deal with it daily

+1. huge problem with Vienna - you have only one avenue of ingress and egress.

This is just incorrect and anyone that lives in Vienna knows how to get around Maple.

You’re both wrong. No one who lives in Vienna doesn’t end up spending a ton of time stuck in traffic on Maple, even if you can avoid it some of the time.

For example, I could avoid Maple going to work, but I couldn’t avoid it running errands or dropping my kid off at ES or HS. People in Vienna make a huge deal about Church Street but that’s not where 95% of the amenities are located.

Sorry your location seems to force you to take that route, but that's not my experience as a Vienna resident. The places I run errands can be reached without spending much time on Maple - groceries, school, gym, Home Depot, restaurants.

Yes, there's Church Street, but there's plenty of other routes you can take if you really want to avoid Maple that much. I do spend some time on Maple, but not more than any other major road in other places I've lived.

Point is, it's not a "huge problem" with only "one avenue of ingress and egress," nor are "95% of amenities" located on Maple. That's all hyperbole and you should try learning your way around without GPS.

As I said, PP was wrong, but you're minimizing the fact that everyone who lives in Vienna ends up spending a good amount of time stuck in traffic in Vienna running errands. And, yes, the vast majority (we could quibble about the exact percentage) of the amenities in Vienna are along Maple. They are there to attract the eyeballs of all the commuters heading west from DC and then Tysons on Route 123 (Maple), which is why traffic on Maple is what it is.

Anonymous wrote:Dear god, why does every single Vienna-related post turn into a discussion about Maple Ave traffic?

How about the insanity of a $3million house in a neighborhood geared toward families? In what reality could a young family afford this type of house? We live in Vienna, and I've been shocked by the rise in $2.5 million houses (all of which continue to sit on the market)....

Because it's a huge pain, and most of us have to deal with it every day.

And there are many, many families in the DMV who can afford "this type of house."

Dear god, why does every single Vienna-related post turn into a discussion about Maple Ave traffic?

How about the insanity of a $3million house in a neighborhood geared toward families? In what reality could a young family afford this type of house? We live in Vienna, and I've been shocked by the rise in $2.5 million houses (all of which continue to sit on the market)....

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Anonymous wrote:Carpet? Yuck. Frankly I'd rather live in McLean than Vienna any day.

Maple street is beyond annoying. I have to go there for some errands and I wouldn’t want to live there to deal with it daily

+1. huge problem with Vienna - you have only one avenue of ingress and egress.

This is just incorrect and anyone that lives in Vienna knows how to get around Maple.

You’re both wrong. No one who lives in Vienna doesn’t end up spending a ton of time stuck in traffic on Maple, even if you can avoid it some of the time.

For example, I could avoid Maple going to work, but I couldn’t avoid it running errands or dropping my kid off at ES or HS. People in Vienna make a huge deal about Church Street but that’s not where 95% of the amenities are located.

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You can only avoid it to a certain extent, you really can’t overstate the traffic issue. I lived over on the side of Wolf trap, and when I hit Maple, I just always took a right even if I needed to go left, because of the traffic. I would just drive up Maple a bit till I hit a light and was able to turn around. The folks posting about their secret ways to get around without GPS are full of it. You might be able to do that a little bit depending on where you live, but not much.

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Anonymous wrote:Carpet? Yuck. Frankly I'd rather live in McLean than Vienna any day.

Maple street is beyond annoying. I have to go there for some errands and I wouldn’t want to live there to deal with it daily

+1. huge problem with Vienna - you have only one avenue of ingress and egress.

This is just incorrect and anyone that lives in Vienna knows how to get around Maple.

You’re both wrong. No one who lives in Vienna doesn’t end up spending a ton of time stuck in traffic on Maple, even if you can avoid it some of the time.

For example, I could avoid Maple going to work, but I couldn’t avoid it running errands or dropping my kid off at ES or HS. People in Vienna make a huge deal about Church Street but that’s not where 95% of the amenities are located.

Sorry your location seems to force you to take that route, but that's not my experience as a Vienna resident. The places I run errands can be reached without spending much time on Maple - groceries, school, gym, Home Depot, restaurants.

Yes, there's Church Street, but there's plenty of other routes you can take if you really want to avoid Maple that much. I do spend some time on Maple, but not more than any other major road in other places I've lived.

Point is, it's not a "huge problem" with only "one avenue of ingress and egress," nor are "95% of amenities" located on Maple. That's all hyperbole and you should try learning your way around without GPS.

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Anonymous wrote:Carpet? Yuck. Frankly I'd rather live in McLean than Vienna any day.

Maple street is beyond annoying. I have to go there for some errands and I wouldn’t want to live there to deal with it daily

+1. huge problem with Vienna - you have only one avenue of ingress and egress.

This is just incorrect and anyone that lives in Vienna knows how to get around Maple.

You’re both wrong. No one who lives in Vienna doesn’t end up spending a ton of time stuck in traffic on Maple, even if you can avoid it some of the time.

For example, I could avoid Maple going to work, but I couldn’t avoid it running errands or dropping my kid off at ES or HS. People in Vienna make a huge deal about Church Street but that’s not where 95% of the amenities are located.