I work in engineering R&D. Whenever I see a scientific paper published by US/Europe/Japanese organizations that give a promising result, I'm able to reproduce the results. For the Chinese organizations, for the vast majority of time, I'm either unable to reproduce the results or once I invest time on the paper, I realize that the authors did not present the full picture that would unveil the cons of their solution.

I am not surprised. Saw it coming with the anti intellectual stance of this administration

lol wut pls just don't blame China as they rocket past okay smdh

Reaearch papers by PRC authors are much more likely to be retracted than papers written by non-PRC authors. Add salt to whatever claims are made.

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Anonymous wrote:The ranking methodology emphasizes volume of research output, which means that Chinese universities will naturally dominate. There are simply 4X the number of people in China and probably 10X the number of STEM students compared to the US. While most of this stuff is dreck, the quality of research from China is also improving rapidly. I would not be surprised if (at least in science and engineering), Beijing, Fudan, USTC etc supplant MIT/Harvard/Stanford in the next few years.

And now the folks in OSTP want to fund non-University research institutions, which will undermine the research base at universities further. The war on wokeness is going to have some stark consequences.....

It’s a school ranking. How does that have anything to do with population? You just demonstrated why American education failed.

Think before you type. One of the metrics is volume of publications. A larger student body means more publications. If you filter down and look at the impact (pubs that are most impactful), it is still the US, UK, Aus universities etc up top. However, even this metric is game-able since you can always self-cite. Throw in the large number of predatory journals and it's a perfect storm.

That doesn't mean all is rosy -- research needs brains and money. China has plenty of those and the current policies in the US are not helping. Again, for all the garment rending about bad incentives in US biomedical science etc etc. if one just calculates the GDP boosts from just a few big hits (Google page rank, GLP-1, giant magnetoresistance, backpropagation, quantum dots) that came out of university research, it should be enough to justify every $ invested in NSF, NIH and DoE science for all time. Killing this golden goose is not a good thing.

Mostly fake news.

China is catching up and becoming a modern economy, and are competitive (good for them, doing better than India), but their universities publish more papers because they have MORE PEOPLE.

When you adjust for population (PP ranking) the rankings look very different.

https://traditional.leidenranking.com/ranking/2025/list

The upward trend of Chinese university/research output predates trump research cuts. China is playing the long game - in all sectors of industry, defense, influence, etc. This is has been happening for decades (under both republican and democratic leadership) and is not unexpectedly news.

Anonymous wrote:The ranking methodology emphasizes volume of research output, which means that Chinese universities will naturally dominate. There are simply 4X the number of people in China and probably 10X the number of STEM students compared to the US. While most of this stuff is dreck, the quality of research from China is also improving rapidly. I would not be surprised if (at least in science and engineering), Beijing, Fudan, USTC etc supplant MIT/Harvard/Stanford in the next few years.

And now the folks in OSTP want to fund non-University research institutions, which will undermine the research base at universities further. The war on wokeness is going to have some stark consequences.....

It’s a school ranking. How does that have anything to do with population? You just demonstrated why American education failed.

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Anonymous wrote:Well duh. When you shut down research, that’s what’ll happen.

They have been and still are stealing technologies and patents from US. Why are they sending millions of foreign students and stealing our trade secrets if their universities are better? They can all stay there and attend their "great" universities.

They have been learning from the best and refining their processes and will only get better. Some profs who commented on the NYT article said Chinese research has been getting better the past couple of years.

+1 It takes years for research to get published, so the fact that US universities are dropping in comparison to others already is just a canary in the coal mine for what is to come in the following years when the full effect of the research cuts in the USA comes into effect.

Why does this need to be a competition. It’s good that there are outstanding business schools all over the world. China can improve its standard of living at the same time we improve ours.

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Anonymous wrote:Well duh. When you shut down research, that’s what’ll happen.

They have been and still are stealing technologies and patents from US. Why are they sending millions of foreign students and stealing our trade secrets if their universities are better? They can all stay there and attend their "great" universities.

They have been learning from the best and refining their processes and will only get better. Some profs who commented on the NYT article said Chinese research has been getting better the past couple of years.

Most of the research is AI generated and then peer reviewed by AI bots. Circular reference errors. Good luck China.

Anonymous wrote:Well duh. When you shut down research, that’s what’ll happen.

They have been and still are stealing technologies and patents from US. Why are they sending millions of foreign students and stealing our trade secrets if their universities are better? They can all stay there and attend their "great" universities.

No thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:Ranking increased the weighting of the rote memorization category.

Where in the methodology of the ranking does rote memorization come in? (Hint: it doesn’t-stop making up bot like responses.)

Rote memorization is just copium when medium rare IQs have deceived themselves into believing they are smarter than actual smart people because the smart people aren't critical thinkers or something like that.