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Anonymous wrote:Under the Banner of Heaven - there is a book that I haven't read but also a miniseries that I did see that is very good. I haven't seen the doc referenced in the OP but I had a similar reaction to the Under the Banner of Heaven miniseries.

Under the Banner of Heaven is about the fundamentalist offshoot FLDS cult most famously known due to the infamy of their current “prophet” Warren Jeffs. As much as the LDS church (colloquially the Mormon church) is highly problematic it’s important to make the distinction. The book is far superior to the mini series, telling the horrifying truth of the girls and women, while the tv show invents a male LDS detective to drive the narrative, too much of which is focused on him and his LDS faith struggle.

+1. FLDS is a very different thing.

It is and it isn't. There is a lot to be gained by framing Mormonism as a sort of mainstream, Protestant Christian religion but they've also been really slow to disavow a lot of their origins and beliefs. For all intents and purposes the FLDS are living more in line with God and scripture than anyone else and that's a very uncomfortable truth.

PP you quoted and I think we are actually in agreement in the sense that if someone says they survived Mormonism, it is very reasonable that they are talking about the mainstream Mormon church, and that their practices are very destructive. That is to say- you don't have to come from a Warren Jeffs situation in order to have a terrible experience. I'm not saying LDS is great and FLDS is not. I'm saying, don't think it's only FLDS that's problematic. We're encouraging the distinction in order to highlight the problems with LDS itself.

The miniseries actually gets into how the Mormon Church disavows FLDS, but the choices made by the Mormon Church to be mainstream were strategic rather than about genuine changes in beliefs. And how the mainstream Mormon Church exerts control over families to protect the institution.

And if you think they REALLY disapprove, you’re deluded.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone watched this on HBO? Wow, I was clueless about this religion. so many atrocities and obsession with appearances.

The Mormon church is a real estate investment company masquerading as a religion.

So is Scientology.

PBS had a good series on Mormons a while back as well.

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Anonymous wrote:My friends son was recruited in HS.

His own mother could not watch his baptism.

They are a cult

That is horrifying. I had no idea. I thought it was a branch of Christianity, and always heard they were decent people. This is wild.

Catholicism recognizes almost all protestant baptisms. They don't recognize Mormon baptism and do not consider it a Christian religion.

The reason why Mormonism baptism is not tecognized by Catholicism is because Mormon theology believes in multiple gods, not one God, and that if you are a good mormon when you die you will become a god too of your very own planet.

Because they are polytheistic, mormonism is not considered a Christian religion.

My older sister was kind of messy in her 20s and got kicked out of college. She was working at the Gap at 72nd street in New York while living with our dad and stepmom thereabouts. She was invited to visit the LDS mission nearby by some apparently really cute single guys.

They had her in Utah within 3 weeks, paying all her expenses, and within 3 months she was engaged to a guy in his 30s with three kids. His wife was apparently “crazy” which she believed because he was the one with the kids. She was married to him within a year and pregnant months after that.

She wasn’t allowed to speak to any of us all that time.

Later she found out the husband was the crazy one. He left her with ALL the kids and she finished raising them all on her own. Now she’s in her 60s, she went back to school and now has a state gov’t job out there, she is no longer religiously observant. Neither are any of the kids, although the oldest did a mission in South America before deciding it was all a bunch of crap.

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Anonymous wrote:Under the Banner of Heaven - there is a book that I haven't read but also a miniseries that I did see that is very good. I haven't seen the doc referenced in the OP but I had a similar reaction to the Under the Banner of Heaven miniseries.

Under the Banner of Heaven is about the fundamentalist offshoot FLDS cult most famously known due to the infamy of their current “prophet” Warren Jeffs. As much as the LDS church (colloquially the Mormon church) is highly problematic it’s important to make the distinction. The book is far superior to the mini series, telling the horrifying truth of the girls and women, while the tv show invents a male LDS detective to drive the narrative, too much of which is focused on him and his LDS faith struggle.

+1. FLDS is a very different thing.

It is and it isn't. There is a lot to be gained by framing Mormonism as a sort of mainstream, Protestant Christian religion but they've also been really slow to disavow a lot of their origins and beliefs. For all intents and purposes the FLDS are living more in line with God and scripture than anyone else and that's a very uncomfortable truth.

PP you quoted and I think we are actually in agreement in the sense that if someone says they survived Mormonism, it is very reasonable that they are talking about the mainstream Mormon church, and that their practices are very destructive. That is to say- you don't have to come from a Warren Jeffs situation in order to have a terrible experience. I'm not saying LDS is great and FLDS is not. I'm saying, don't think it's only FLDS that's problematic. We're encouraging the distinction in order to highlight the problems with LDS itself.

The miniseries actually gets into how the Mormon Church disavows FLDS, but the choices made by the Mormon Church to be mainstream were strategic rather than about genuine changes in beliefs. And how the mainstream Mormon Church exerts control over families to protect the institution.

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Anonymous wrote:My friends son was recruited in HS.

His own mother could not watch his baptism.

They are a cult

All religions are.

PP, don't you ever get tired of yourself?

Are you really trying to say they aren't? Yikes.

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Anonymous wrote:My friends son was recruited in HS.

His own mother could not watch his baptism.

They are a cult

All religions are.

PP, don't you ever get tired of yourself?

Anonymous wrote:My friends son was recruited in HS.

His own mother could not watch his baptism.

They are a cult

All religions are.

One night after we put up our Ring camera.

Two Mormon girls came a calling.

I was upstairs I checked the camera it was starting to get dark.

I could hear them talking.

One girls says to the other "If a male answers the door try and touch his arm, and make sure to twirl your hair". The other girl said "ok I have been practicing".

True story.

Go to Hawaii see how they treat the people there like indentured servents. Mormonism is not a mainstream religion.

Don't get me started on church doctrine on how women are to be treated.