Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. MIT
2. Imperial College London
3. Stanford
4. Oxford
5. Harvard
6. Cambridge
7. ETH Zurich
8. National University Singapore
9. UCL London
10. Caltech
11. University of Hong Kong
12. Nanyang Singapore
13. U Chicago
14. Peking U
15. U Penn
16. Cornell
17. Tsinghua U
18. UC Berkeley
19. University of Melbourne
20. University of NSW Sydney
21. Yale
22. EPFL Lausanne
23. Technical University Munich
24. Johns Hopkins
25. Princeton
26. University of Sydney
27. Princeton
28. Universite PFL Paris
29. University of Toronto
30. Fudan

https://www.topuniversities.com/world-university-rankings?tab=indicators&sort_by=rank&order_by=asc

It’s a complete garbage ranking.

are you ok? it's really not. QS and THE (times higher ed) are both the preeminent rankings for reputation of global universities. just because you are not as aware of many of these global research giants because we spend too much time in the US gazing inward and talkign to neighbors in our bubbles, doesn't mean it's not valid. sorry to burst your bubble.

+10

Anonymous wrote:My recollection is that both of these rankings prioritize research and serve as better measures of graduate education and quality of employment opportunities for faculty.

Not necessarily indicative of the undergraduate experience.

Undergraduate research is done by upwards of 75% of Stem students and about 50% of non-stem students at top-15 level schools. Research is considered essential for PhD apps, even in humanities, and it is highly important for acceptance to any of the T75 medical schools. Academic research is considered a boost for law school apps as well. The QS rankings inclusion of research as a large factor is very important to any undergraduate, especially considering the large changes in funding that have dramatically affected research support of undergrads. Schools with large research funding have weathered the recent funding storm much better than schools lower on the list.

Anonymous wrote:As Americans, we are too fixated on a group of small or relatively unknown American colleges that the world doesn't know or care about. It's good to get some outside perspective.

This is so true.

The world that matters for Americans sits on a single continent called North America. We really don't have the time or need to concern ourselves with what others think when it comes to colleges. Your mother in law in Bangalore might not know anything about Williams, Amherst, CMC, and Middlebury for example but High Income families on both coasts know that if their child wants to go into IB, MBB, top law or medicine there are maybe 10 schools in the country which are their equals. You can keep your "outside perspective", we'll bet on "insider knowledge".

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. MIT
2. Imperial College London
3. Stanford
4. Oxford
5. Harvard
6. Cambridge
7. ETH Zurich
8. National University Singapore
9. UCL London
10. Caltech
11. University of Hong Kong
12. Nanyang Singapore
13. U Chicago
14. Peking U
15. U Penn
16. Cornell
17. Tsinghua U
18. UC Berkeley
19. University of Melbourne
20. University of NSW Sydney
21. Yale
22. EPFL Lausanne
23. Technical University Munich
24. Johns Hopkins
25. Princeton
26. University of Sydney
27. Princeton
28. Universite PFL Paris
29. University of Toronto
30. Fudan

https://www.topuniversities.com/world-university-rankings?tab=indicators&sort_by=rank&order_by=asc

It’s a complete garbage ranking.

are you ok? it's really not. QS and THE (times higher ed) are both the preeminent rankings for reputation of global universities. just because you are not as aware of many of these global research giants because we spend too much time in the US gazing inward and talking to neighbors in our bubbles, doesn't mean it's not valid. sorry to burst your bubble.

I'm fine. QS rankings are mostly based on the quantity of research paper output without regard to quality. It is a garbage ranking that was created when China wanted to boost their universities. They are garbage rankings.

Anonymous wrote:A lot of hurt feelings on this thread already. lol

That's the vibe here. But tell them St Andrews ranked higher than Georgetown or W&M and they'll flip.

But I agree with the people saying intl reputation < reputation of where you want to launch a career.

McGill arts and sciences: 54,414 CAD
McGill engineering: 67,734 CAD
McGill business: 73,039 CAD

Medicine more. Fine arts less.

That's before room and board.

It was cheaper 3+ years ago. Will be more in future.

A lot of hurt feelings on this thread already. lol

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.topuniversities.com/world-university-rankings/methodology

methodology:

*vibes* (aka "reputation"): 45%
international faculty/students: 15%
sustainability: 5%


we all know DCUM just loves a bunch of international faculty teaching their kids!

+1. Ridiculous methodology. Like I care about sustainability or “vibes” when paying $100k a year

International universities do not cost $100K a year - that's only the overpriced private US universities and LACs.

For example, McGill (which is in the top 40 of both of the top global uni lists (top 30 of QS, and top 40 of THE) is only $40K CAD tuition - which converts to roughly $29 K USD. Now compare $29K US to private unis like BU which are $70K US tuition, or public OOS unis like Michigan Ann Arbor which is $61K. That's over a $30K US difference for tuition alone! Same with U of T, and most European unis.

Anonymous wrote:

if you're goal is to get employed by "the world" or have your aunt in Beijing be able to brag, getting into HYPSM or Oxford/Cambridge is all that matters.

if you want to get a good education and a job in nyc, the list is different. and if you want to get a good education and get a job in Dallas, the list is different. and if you want to get a job in nursing anywhere, the list is different.

Agree with this 100%. Don’t let strangers (or family and friends even) dictate what’s best for you. Set your own goals of what you want out of college and create a short list from there. Give up the stupid idea of dream school or top ranked schools.

Anonymous wrote:As Americans, we are too fixated on a group of small or relatively unknown American colleges that the world doesn't know or care about. It's good to get some outside perspective.

Except that is not how these unis are perceived in the world - at all.

Anonymous wrote:https://www.topuniversities.com/world-university-rankings/methodology

methodology:

*vibes* (aka "reputation"): 45%
international faculty/students: 15%
sustainability: 5%


we all know DCUM just loves a bunch of international faculty teaching their kids!

+1. Ridiculous methodology. Like I care about sustainability or “vibes” when paying $100k a year

https://www.topuniversities.com/world-university-rankings/methodology

methodology:

*vibes* (aka "reputation"): 45%
international faculty/students: 15%
sustainability: 5%


we all know DCUM just loves a bunch of international faculty teaching their kids!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As Americans, we are too fixated on a group of small or relatively unknown American colleges that the world doesn't know or care about. It's good to get some outside perspective.

if you're goal is to get employed by "the world" or have your aunt in Beijing be able to brag, getting into HYPSM or Oxford/Cambridge is all that matters.

if you want to get a good education and a job in nyc, the list is different. and if you want to get a good education and get a job in Dallas, the list is different. and if you want to get a job in nursing anywhere, the list is different.

I don't know...I like to think my school is known and respected internationally. I mean we are not in an isolationist world anymore. Just sayin.

That would be nice. But 400k later, I want to see outcomes not just what someone on facebook 6000 miles away thinks. it's 100% true that there are people in India who don't know Waterloo, Santa Clara, or Claremont McKenna. But I don't know .. that's not my first consideration.

Anonymous wrote:As Americans, we are too fixated on a group of small or relatively unknown American colleges that the world doesn't know or care about. It's good to get some outside perspective.

This is so true.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As Americans, we are too fixated on a group of small or relatively unknown American colleges that the world doesn't know or care about. It's good to get some outside perspective.

if you're goal is to get employed by "the world" or have your aunt in Beijing be able to brag, getting into HYPSM or Oxford/Cambridge is all that matters.

if you want to get a good education and a job in nyc, the list is different. and if you want to get a good education and get a job in Dallas, the list is different. and if you want to get a job in nursing anywhere, the list is different.

I don't know...I like to think my school is known and respected internationally. I mean we are not in an isolationist world anymore. Just sayin.