Anonymous
Post 12/16/2025 21:53     Subject: Re:Washington and Lee vs Claremont McKenna: Conservative Arts College

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:One thing that both schools have in common is their love of alcohol.


Although CMC wins easily on other substance use.

By proof and knowledge of…? W&L commonly is known for coke use.


W&L alum here. This is the first time that I’ve heard that W&L is known for coke use.

When I was at W&L in the 1990s, the vast majority of the student body was center-left or center- right. Most Republicans on campus were socially liberal and fiscally conservative. From what I’ve heard, the students there are now more liberal.

Because the student body is not monolithic when it comes to politics, you are far more likely to find free speech there than at most other universities. I have no personal experience with CM though.
Anonymous
Post 12/16/2025 21:48     Subject: Washington and Lee vs Claremont McKenna: Conservative Arts College

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Of the two, which is the more conservative college/promotes more free speech open ideals? DS wants to be in an open tolerant community and know his peers entered from academic excellence. Of the two, which would you recommend?


Definitely CMC. At Washington & Lee, LGBT has to name themselves something like "pink elephant" to barely exist on campus. CMC is relatively more open and tolerant.

In other words, you think CMC is more liberal, but that is not the question.

CMC actually allows a diverse range of voices and lived experiences. Claremont McKenna students aren’t offended that black people exist at their college, while there’s a decent subset of W&L students and alum who can’t stand that there are people of color walking around. W&L is a bit bizarre with how much they suppress open thought in the wrong way. Open thought is about considering both sides


Oh, please stop. At least 50% of W&L’s students are Democrats.


+1
Anonymous
Post 12/16/2025 21:44     Subject: Washington and Lee vs Claremont McKenna: Conservative Arts College

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Of the two, which is the more conservative college/promotes more free speech open ideals? DS wants to be in an open tolerant community and know his peers entered from academic excellence. Of the two, which would you recommend?


Definitely CMC. At Washington & Lee, LGBT has to name themselves something like "pink elephant" to barely exist on campus. CMC is relatively more open and tolerant.

In other words, you think CMC is more liberal, but that is not the question.

CMC actually allows a diverse range of voices and lived experiences. Claremont McKenna students aren’t offended that black people exist at their college, while there’s a decent subset of W&L students and alum who can’t stand that there are people of color walking around. W&L is a bit bizarre with how much they suppress open thought in the wrong way. Open thought is about considering both sides


Oh, please stop. At least 50% of W&L’s students are Democrats.
Anonymous
Post 12/16/2025 21:42     Subject: Washington and Lee vs Claremont McKenna: Conservative Arts College

Anonymous wrote:Of the two, which is the more conservative college/promotes more free speech open ideals? DS wants to be in an open tolerant community and know his peers entered from academic excellence. Of the two, which would you recommend?


You’re asking for two contradictory things when you’re looking for a conservative college and an open tolerant community.
Anonymous
Post 12/16/2025 21:31     Subject: Washington and Lee vs Claremont McKenna: Conservative Arts College

Anonymous
Post 12/16/2025 21:28     Subject: Washington and Lee vs Claremont McKenna: Conservative Arts College

CMC of yesterday maybe. But now that William & Lee's president Dudley is moving to CMC this summer, CMC will become William & Lee all over again.

Dudley was a dud and now he's moving to CMC. Too bad. CMC is cooked.
Anonymous
Post 12/16/2025 20:25     Subject: Re:Washington and Lee vs Claremont McKenna: Conservative Arts College

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:One thing that both schools have in common is their love of alcohol.


Although CMC wins easily on other substance use.

By proof and knowledge of…? W&L commonly is known for coke use.


Not at all.

…By proof and knowledge of…?
Anonymous
Post 12/16/2025 20:10     Subject: Re:Washington and Lee vs Claremont McKenna: Conservative Arts College

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:One thing that both schools have in common is their love of alcohol.


Although CMC wins easily on other substance use.

By proof and knowledge of…? W&L commonly is known for coke use.


Not at all.
Anonymous
Post 12/16/2025 19:36     Subject: Re:Washington and Lee vs Claremont McKenna: Conservative Arts College

Anonymous wrote:Note I am not a troll, but these are real comments by W&L alum and parents. I have never seen a more vile group of comments and clear racist culture than the 5 seconds I spent researching on this topic. OP, I’d strongly consider what you believe to be “tolerant.” This community’s the opposite. And with that…the comments:
You are so right. My oldest daughter graduated in 1996, her husband in 1995 and my youngest daughter in 2005. Back then you had to be a stellar student to be admitted. Clearly that’s no longer the case. President Dudley is a spineless wimp. He has been all too willing to bow down for DEI. When I heard that a fund had been created in the name of George Floyd by black alum I was livid. How dare they create a fund named after a common criminal with a felony conviction and who had every drug under the sun in his system at the time of his death when he was actively resisting arrest?? And, at the same time some horribly misguided MALCONTENTS were busy petitioning the Board to remove Robert E. Lee’s name from the school!!! At that moment of sheer disbelief and utter anger we stopped all our annual contributions to W&L. Gone are the days of pride in the school and Robert E. Lee. In its place has been decidedly forced shame and appeasement. My daughter and son-in-law were married in the LEE CHAPEL in 1999 and not in “The Chapel”!!
I am disgusted with Washington and Lee. I am disgusted that DEI has taken precedence over academic excellence as a requirement for admission. I am disgusted by the noisy minority of malcontents who refuse to shut up. They knew where they were going. Why go to a school named after someone you very misguidedly abhor?? Leave and go somewhere else!!
I’ve also heard that the mere existence of the Honor Code has been called into question. Why?? Because black students are “complaining” that they are being singled out for violations of this code that has been in place since 1865!!! No surprise there.
In case I haven’t made it abundantly clear I loathe what has transpired at W&L. Not only for clearly lowering the academic standards for admission but m more importantly for all the school stood for, the Honor Code and traditions. My husband and I were always so proud to say our two girls were graduates of this very unique and special school. It meant everything to us. Our girls have taken the Honor Code with them into their professional and personal lives.
Now thanks to the insidious and malignant cancer that is DEI our school will never be the same. Shane on President Dudley, the Asians the abhorrent left wing faculty members who have taken every possible step to ruin what was once a school of excellence, tradition and honor!! Shame on all of you !


I find it very sad and it also angers me how W&L bends over backwards to appease and accommodate DEI and the student they bring in. Whether the administration will admit it academic excellence is no longer a priority. My last child graduated in 2005 and at that time you still had to be a stellar student to gain admission. That’s gone by the wayside.
Everything we loved about Washington and Lee has disappeared all in the name of DEI. This administration won’t change. DEI will still be a priority. I was once so proud that my two daughters graduated from W&L. Now I don’t even wear my W&L T-shirts anymore. They don’t represent the school I knew and lived.


Academia is infected with an awful mind virus. The faculty at W&L was in favor of removing the name Lee from the college by about 4-1. They’re gone. The only way to treat it is to radically remove them and the leaders of the institution.

The BOT lacks that courage.

Our beloved college is changed forever.



This is not the opinion of the majority of the students or faculty. My kid is a current student there. She is liberal and has never felt threatened or afraid to speak her mind. There is a very small fringe group of very vocal people that like to post things like this. The majority do not agree. The parents group does not have any of this hateful discourse.
Anonymous
Post 12/16/2025 19:28     Subject: Washington and Lee vs Claremont McKenna: Conservative Arts College

CMC for open thought. Been #1 on FIRE Rankings many times.
Anonymous
Post 12/16/2025 19:07     Subject: Re:Washington and Lee vs Claremont McKenna: Conservative Arts College

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:One thing that both schools have in common is their love of alcohol.


Although CMC wins easily on other substance use.

By proof and knowledge of…? W&L commonly is known for coke use.
Anonymous
Post 12/16/2025 19:02     Subject: Re:Washington and Lee vs Claremont McKenna: Conservative Arts College

Anonymous wrote:One thing that both schools have in common is their love of alcohol.


Although CMC wins easily on other substance use.
Anonymous
Post 12/16/2025 19:01     Subject: Re:Washington and Lee vs Claremont McKenna: Conservative Arts College

One thing that both schools have in common is their love of alcohol.
Anonymous
Post 12/16/2025 19:01     Subject: Washington and Lee vs Claremont McKenna: Conservative Arts College

Anonymous wrote:Washington & Lee is more conservative, but Claremont McKenna is more pro-free speech. Though if you care about peers entering “from academic excellence”, it seems like you would want your kid to attend a school like Purdue, Florida, Georgetown, Dartmouth, etc. that requires standardized test scores.

CMC is soon test required too! And the new president comes from W&L so maybe he’ll being the conservative culture over.
Anonymous
Post 12/16/2025 18:55     Subject: Washington and Lee vs Claremont McKenna: Conservative Arts College

Washington & Lee is more conservative, but Claremont McKenna is more pro-free speech. Though if you care about peers entering “from academic excellence”, it seems like you would want your kid to attend a school like Purdue, Florida, Georgetown, Dartmouth, etc. that requires standardized test scores.