2 comments - 1. I’m one of those people that believe every firing has something to do with and is partly owned by manager/management. 2. They are being let go into the worst job market we’ve had in, what, decades.

Recommend after the holidays and mid-January ‘if’ you’ve given serious critique in verbal and written warning. If they don’t have in writing that they will lose job if they don’t make changes (in email or on paper), don’t think they’ve been given opportunity. Agree with other poster that I sense they haven’t received continuous feedback. (I think many firings are unfair anyway, due to miscommunications or internal politics.)

I don’t believe they’re as bad as you think they are.

Anonymous wrote:The health insurance point that a PP made is a good one. Let them stay until Jan 2 so they have insurance until Jan 31.

Freddie Mac would move up firing date to before end of month. To make sure they don’t pay for extra month of health insurance.

Was in multiple meetings where this was discussed and I was asked to follow thru on date.

It sucked

First thing in morning why drag this out? You're not helping them there is no bonus get it over with.

Anonymous wrote:Let him go now and if you can offer severance.

To be nice maybe will make last day Friday Jan 2nd. Gets paid Xmas and new years and gets him Jan benefits.

No severance as this is for cause. But will get two weeks in lieu of notice and will pay out vacation,

Let him go now and if you can offer severance.

Anonymous wrote:OP, not sure why you’re asking for advice. Seems like you’ve mar a decision and are looking for others to justify it. I agree with the 1/2 last day for health insurance.

I might wait till Jan to be nice. But healthcare won’t matter. We have that HDHP at work where you have to hit a big deductible that resets every Jan 1

Anonymous wrote:What does HR say?

Traditionally, HR lets go before Christmas so the fired employee doesn’t spend a lot in anticipation of the holidays.

Anonymous wrote:The health insurance point that a PP made is a good one. Let them stay until Jan 2 so they have insurance until Jan 31.

At some workplaces, they purposefully do their firings on the last day of the month for this reason (to save one month of health care payments).

Anonymous wrote:OP, if you were this person, what would you want?

To be let go. And yes twice in my life let go on 12-31. One was a merger another consulting job no budget next year.

Both times knew it was coming. Gave me new years weekend to get over shock, apply unemployment on line, update resume then start aggressive looking Jan 2nd.

But I am not this person. And Friday before Martin King holiday would be as far as I could stretch it.

OP, not sure why you’re asking for advice. Seems like you’ve mar a decision and are looking for others to justify it. I agree with the 1/2 last day for health insurance.

Tomorrow morning. Rip it off like a bandaid. I've had to fire at terrible times too usually on a Friday but in this cass just do it now.

To the OP you sound like a pompous ass

OP, if you were this person, what would you want?

Our company has a rule that you either make the termination before Thanksgiving or wait until after Jan. 1. I’m sure they’d make an exception if the reason was something egregious, not just poor performance.

OP in this case I am wrapping up all 2025 work now. My last deliverable of year goes out next week. The person since doom is impending stopped taking vacation days so hoarding them for pay out.

So I will have someone doing nothing as rest of dept taking off.

When we all return I need to plan for projects that are technical in nature beyond this persons skill set or ability to learn.

Just last week after two recent projects were a sloppy mess I had a one hour meeting with him and his manager was present to go over his issues. Then I got same junk again.

It is a 40 year old at level I say of an intern in college. Nice person but picture one of us trying to learn to be a piano player while on tour as a piano player.

I could try to do a transfer, but lower level clerical jobs pay 30k less at work which is more his skill set but he is paid too much.

I am shocked as very positive person who had same exact job in same exact industry before hired.

It is really not a PIP thing. It is like a 40 year old in minor league baseball. If you have not picked it up by now another few months won’t help.