Anonymous wrote:Aren't white students minorities in all the Ivy league and top 10 schools now? That's why you are seeing a cultural shift towards other schools. Many students don't want to be a minority regardless of race. The social dynamic isn't very good and instead of mixing, many students of the same ethnicity only socialize with those of their own background. Not sure what can be done but admissions is doing a terrible job.

The population of the US has expanded and the Ivy League hasn't expanded seats. There are going to be even more "Ivy tier" and rich kid students at other schools. And those schools were already producing leaders: politicians, CEOs, etc. Today's elite students are more comfortable in multi-racial environments. I know tons of educated people in cross-racial marriages, including my own extended family. When your closest people are people of different races, it's easier to appreciate their success and not see it as a loss for your "tribe". Because your definition of your in-group expands.

I have been in situations where I was the foreigner or minority. As long as people are nice to me and will converse with me when I reach out, I don't care what proportion of people share my skin tone. Many people seem to resent groups of people who speak in their native language. I actually enjoy seeing that around campus. It makes me feel like I'm in a desirable, global community where I could meet a lot of interesting people. I feel confident that if I wanted to meet and speak with those people, they would be open to it. That's been my experience with international students and coworkers at my corporate job. I've studied foreign languages, so I too know the relaxation of being able to lapse back into my native language.

I think Admissions is creating a community for people who are willing to tolerate a tiny bit of discomfort in order to discover how interesting the wider world can be.

Anonymous wrote:As a full pay family, this just makes me feel like a schmuck. Which is part of why we choose in-state publics even though we could easily cash flow private. I don’t want to pay double for something so that half the kids pay nothing.

Agree. We are only recently in the full pay category and I’ve been surprised at the percentage of no-pay. $400k per kid is still a hugely significant number for most people. As a first generation student, I support some assistance. The difference in pay just seems so vast relative to income considerations, especially in the barely-qualifying incomes.

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Anonymous wrote:Only 37% white is deeply concerning. Someone needs to check their admissions practices.

If you take out 15% of the class which is international and 95% Asian, then how many white students are there? Further, if you want to know how what the former majority was - white, Christian, cis, males - what is that number? It is very low.

Awww...

Racial and SES divisions - a gift from WASP Americans.

Maybe there at Holy Cross because they want good economic outcomes/careers.

Good luck to Harvard. Probably won’t be many sell outs for future H-Y football games.

Anonymous wrote:Only 37% white is deeply concerning. Someone needs to check their admissions practices.

If you take out 15% of the class which is international and 95% Asian, then how many white students are there? Further, if you want to know how what the former majority was - white, Christian, cis, males - what is that number? It is very low.

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Anonymous wrote:Only 37% white is deeply concerning. Someone needs to check their admissions practices.

? I don't understand your point. Princeton's class is 28% white for comparison.

Who said this was a good thing?

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Anonymous wrote:As a full pay family, this just makes me feel like a schmuck. Which is part of why we choose in-state publics even though we could easily cash flow private. I don’t want to pay double for something so that half the kids pay nothing.

Did you have the choice? Did your kid really get into Harvard?!

There is a simple fix for not feeling like a schmuck-- make a lot less. Is that what you really want?

I was speaking generally. Not interestied in schools with exorbitant tuitions that don’t charge anything to 1/3 to 1/2 of students.

Anonymous wrote:75 students admitted from waitlist is interesting as many years Harvard admits none. Likely replacing international students that bailed.

Very interesting

Anonymous wrote:As a full pay family, this just makes me feel like a schmuck. Which is part of why we choose in-state publics even though we could easily cash flow private. I don’t want to pay double for something so that half the kids pay nothing.

Did you have the choice? Did your kid really get into Harvard?!

There is a simple fix for not feeling like a schmuck-- make a lot less. Is that what you really want?

As a full pay family, this just makes me feel like a schmuck. Which is part of why we choose in-state publics even though we could easily cash flow private. I don’t want to pay double for something so that half the kids pay nothing.

Everyone is racing right past “Applicants who self-selected more than one race are reflected in the percentages for each of their respective identified races.”

The total will be over 100% and we have no idea what the white percentage is.

75 students admitted from waitlist is interesting as many years Harvard admits none. Likely replacing international students that bailed.

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Anonymous wrote:Aren't white students minorities in all the Ivy league and top 10 schools now? That's why you are seeing a cultural shift towards other schools. Many students don't want to be a minority regardless of race. The social dynamic isn't very good and instead of mixing, many students of the same ethnicity only socialize with those of their own background. Not sure what can be done but admissions is doing a terrible job.

This is very true.

And it’s a sad state the lack of integration. The Indian kids hang out with the Indian kids. Even if they are born in America and not India. The Korean and Japanese kids hang out together as well. The Jewish kids hang out together. The poor white kids hang out together. The very wealthy rich, private school white kids all hang out together.

There is much less mixing at the schools and there was even a decade or so ago. This social experiment has failed.

I have two kids at T10 schools.

This is a huge generalization with plenty of exceptions. Some people are in a comfort zone with people that are very much like themselves and some people are perfectly willing to get out of their comfort zone and enjoy it and benefit. That is true the top college and lots of other places.

My very pale white student at a t10 just took an amazing trip through Asia with Asian friends from school. Experienced several different countries and several different socioeconomic levels as well. It's an experience that's completely available to a student that is interested.