Anonymous
11/04/2025 13:22
Subject: US-L folding
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NWSL will never be outdone by USL. USL can't get good talen or more than 300 folks to a game.
Again, since you're just repeating what you said before I'll do the same.
USL can definitely outdo both MLS and NWSL. Here's an example, say 20 rich guys are being boxed out of MLS or NWSL by high franchise fees. Whats to stop them from just working together buying all the best talent and out fielding both with higher levels of talent and playing in USL.
Even more scary for MLS and NWSL is once implemented whats to stop EPL from buying out USL.
Americans have no idea what mountains of money with no limitstions can do to soccer.
Again.. can we stick to women's sports for a second? Do you know what the W stands for?
Oh sorry, you must have missed where I wrote both MLS and NWSL.
Oh sorry.. your focus on hockey and football examples threw the discussion off the rails.
Ahh, I see where you're stupid.
I didn't mention anything about hockey or football. I did mention "franchise fees". This means you likely don't understand that both MLS and NWSL are setup like the NFL and NHL. The league basically owns everyone and clubs pay a franchise fee to be part of the club. EPL and other leagues are different. Clubs are their own business and can choose to play in whoatever league they want. They are not franchises of EPL league. Because clubs arent controlled by EPL league they can implement whatever they want to win each game including paying players whatever it takes to get them to play on their team. This is what makes EPL exciting. Theres no limits on anything when it comes to competition and $$$.
Anonymous
11/04/2025 12:42
Subject: US-L folding
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NWSL will never be outdone by USL. USL can't get good talen or more than 300 folks to a game.
Again, since you're just repeating what you said before I'll do the same.
USL can definitely outdo both MLS and NWSL. Here's an example, say 20 rich guys are being boxed out of MLS or NWSL by high franchise fees. Whats to stop them from just working together buying all the best talent and out fielding both with higher levels of talent and playing in USL.
Even more scary for MLS and NWSL is once implemented whats to stop EPL from buying out USL.
Americans have no idea what mountains of money with no limitstions can do to soccer.
Again.. can we stick to women's sports for a second? Do you know what the W stands for?
Oh sorry, you must have missed where I wrote both MLS and NWSL.
Oh sorry.. your focus on hockey and football examples threw the discussion off the rails.
Anonymous
11/04/2025 06:01
Subject: US-L folding
A lot of the women on USL have part time jobs to supplement income. The avg salary is about 40k. They only have games about every 2 weeks so there is a TON of down time.
Anonymous
11/03/2025 14:21
Subject: US-L folding
I get it. Having a closed league, such as NWSL and MLS, do limit competition...
An uncapped league, with fear of being relegated, makes sense.
The problem that the only uncapped league in the US has today, and that's MLB, is that there is no fear of loosing out of the golden goose of playing at the top level. Owners like Bob Nutting of the Pittsburgh Pirates field teams that have 1/5 the payroll of the World Series winning Dodgers and are still making bank.
So, promotion, relegation. Uncapped salaries. Sounds good.
Now for the women's side. Yeah, it's a long road for USL SL to get there. They kinda started at the top with the Super League and have a strong summer league with the USL-W, but are lacking the middle.
Whereas the men's side already has a pretty large network of teams in USLC, USL1, the summer league USL2 and then now their new first division.
Just curious, because I never really thought about it, what are all those players in leagues outside of the top level EPL doing besides soccer? Does it pay enough or is a side hustle needed if you are playing in EFL League one, which on their pyramid is the equivalent of the USL1.
Gosh, looking at the EFL men's pyramid, there's a lot of teams!
An uncapped league, with fear of being relegated, makes sense.
The problem that the only uncapped league in the US has today, and that's MLB, is that there is no fear of loosing out of the golden goose of playing at the top level. Owners like Bob Nutting of the Pittsburgh Pirates field teams that have 1/5 the payroll of the World Series winning Dodgers and are still making bank.
So, promotion, relegation. Uncapped salaries. Sounds good.
Now for the women's side. Yeah, it's a long road for USL SL to get there. They kinda started at the top with the Super League and have a strong summer league with the USL-W, but are lacking the middle.
Whereas the men's side already has a pretty large network of teams in USLC, USL1, the summer league USL2 and then now their new first division.
Just curious, because I never really thought about it, what are all those players in leagues outside of the top level EPL doing besides soccer? Does it pay enough or is a side hustle needed if you are playing in EFL League one, which on their pyramid is the equivalent of the USL1.
Gosh, looking at the EFL men's pyramid, there's a lot of teams!
Anonymous
11/03/2025 11:43
Subject: US-L folding
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NWSL will never be outdone by USL. USL can't get good talen or more than 300 folks to a game.
Again, since you're just repeating what you said before I'll do the same.
USL can definitely outdo both MLS and NWSL. Here's an example, say 20 rich guys are being boxed out of MLS or NWSL by high franchise fees. Whats to stop them from just working together buying all the best talent and out fielding both with higher levels of talent and playing in USL.
Even more scary for MLS and NWSL is once implemented whats to stop EPL from buying out USL.
Americans have no idea what mountains of money with no limitstions can do to soccer.
Again.. can we stick to women's sports for a second? Do you know what the W stands for?
Oh sorry, you must have missed where I wrote both MLS and NWSL.
Anonymous
11/03/2025 11:29
Subject: US-L folding
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NWSL will never be outdone by USL. USL can't get good talen or more than 300 folks to a game.
Again, since you're just repeating what you said before I'll do the same.
USL can definitely outdo both MLS and NWSL. Here's an example, say 20 rich guys are being boxed out of MLS or NWSL by high franchise fees. Whats to stop them from just working together buying all the best talent and out fielding both with higher levels of talent and playing in USL.
Even more scary for MLS and NWSL is once implemented whats to stop EPL from buying out USL.
Americans have no idea what mountains of money with no limitstions can do to soccer.
Again.. can we stick to women's sports for a second? Do you know what the W stands for?
Anonymous
11/03/2025 11:13
Subject: US-L folding
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think there is a pro-team tournament that could match-up USL teams vs NWSL teams. Maybe they would bring some interest.
They scrimmage each other preseason and the NWSL just slaughters USL teams.
They also do friendlies with Mexician teams and college teams like Florida State. (Who I think some NWSL team lost to last year)
The point is that if some really rich person wanted to make NWSL look bad they could just fund a USL team with superstar players. USL has no salary cap so this is completely viable. Think about it, the new Denver NWSL franchise was 110 million. Instead of paying NWSL why not just pay 20 of the top players in the world 1 million each season for 5 seasons on a USL team and beat everyone.
This looks to be exactly whats being setup to occur.
https://x.com/usmntonly/status/1984794201763299450
More likely to work fire mens team but when it comes to soccer...Americans dint watch men's soccer.. they have football
U have eggball which is dumb af as u throw it wit the hand. Also, NFL is registered as entertainment org so fixing and rigging games is legal. You’re not watching a serious “sport”
UsOFAmerica is backwards
sorry, but you are wrong about everything here - sorry if you can't overcome your bias to see it, but there's a reason the NFL is top in the US.
Anonymous
11/03/2025 11:11
Subject: US-L folding
Anonymous wrote:NWSL will never be outdone by USL. USL can't get good talen or more than 300 folks to a game.
Again, since you're just repeating what you said before I'll do the same.
USL can definitely outdo both MLS and NWSL. Here's an example, say 20 rich guys are being boxed out of MLS or NWSL by high franchise fees. Whats to stop them from just working together buying all the best talent and out fielding both with higher levels of talent and playing in USL.
Even more scary for MLS and NWSL is once implemented whats to stop EPL from buying out USL.
Americans have no idea what mountains of money with no limitstions can do to soccer.
Anonymous
11/03/2025 10:47
Subject: US-L folding
NWSL will never be outdone by USL. USL can't get good talen or more than 300 folks to a game.
Anonymous
11/03/2025 10:45
Subject: Re:US-L folding
Anonymous wrote:USL will put both NWSL and MLS out of business
Once Americans get a taste of soccer with no salary caps and pro/rel it will make things much more interesting. MLS is ok but because of salary caps the best of the best arent competing. If you're going to bet on something its more exciting when the highest levels of talent are involved. Actually just all around a sport is more exciting to watch when the best players are playing.
How cool would it be if rich guys like Elon spent their money to win a trophy instead of playing politics. Either way it doesnt matter to him.
Anonymous
11/03/2025 09:57
Subject: Re:US-L folding
USL will put both NWSL and MLS out of business
Anonymous
11/03/2025 09:10
Subject: US-L folding
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not easy to start a new project sports league. It takes many years of investment and sometimes ends up in surviving or merging with the competing league (AFL football, ABA basketball). And sometimes it fails (USFL). It’s still too soon to tell with USL Super league
I agree with your comment above - getting traction with a new league isn't easy. What defines success as well? Because I really can't think of a league that hasn't merged with their big brother. or folded. ABA to NBA, AFL to NFL, WHA to NHL.
There are a ton of interesting stories out there about these mergers and how they went down. One of the great stories is from the ABA. The owners of the Spirts of St. Louis negotiated a deal where they collected a small share of television revenue en perpetuity from the 4 ABA teams that were moved over. What a deal - it ended up being millions and millions of dollars. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozzie_and_Daniel_Silna
The USFL is another great case - the book - Football for a Buck: The Crazy Rise and Crazier Demise of the USFL is a really good read. I think if the owners would have stayed the course and ran a spring league, they might have had longer term success. But, of course, there was a developer from NYC who got involved and pushed the league to complete directly against the NFL in the fall and pretty much ran it into the ground. There's also a 30 for 30 ESPN episode out there where DJT is interviewed and the $1.00 check the league was awarded was shown to him. Classic!
Anyway, back to the topic at hand. Like any new league, there will be ebbs and flows and you may see merge and disband. What I don't think that you have seen are any top players jumping over to the USL SL, unlike the USFL, ABA, WHA where you had top level talent playing in the upstart league. What if a Trinity Rodman left DC United and went to the DC Power for bag of cash? Others do similar. That would generate some significant interest for sure.
who is trinity rodman? Therein lies the problem with female sports [/quote]
Ok. I kinda get your point. But, if take a top player out of the NWSL and sign them to the USL. That will draw interest of those that follow that player to the new league.
If you weren't a hockey fan back when the WHA came around, maybe Bobby Hull signing a 10 year deal with the Winnipeg Jets didn't mean much to you, but it brought a ton of focus on the upstart league and gave them a level of credibility. Just like the USFL poaching players like Steve Young and Reggie White to their league rather than the NFL.
Anonymous
11/03/2025 08:53
Subject: US-L folding
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think there is a pro-team tournament that could match-up USL teams vs NWSL teams. Maybe they would bring some interest.
They scrimmage each other preseason and the NWSL just slaughters USL teams.
They also do friendlies with Mexician teams and college teams like Florida State. (Who I think some NWSL team lost to last year)
The point is that if some really rich person wanted to make NWSL look bad they could just fund a USL team with superstar players. USL has no salary cap so this is completely viable. Think about it, the new Denver NWSL franchise was 110 million. Instead of paying NWSL why not just pay 20 of the top players in the world 1 million each season for 5 seasons on a USL team and beat everyone.
This looks to be exactly whats being setup to occur.
https://x.com/usmntonly/status/1984794201763299450
More likely to work fire mens team but when it comes to soccer...Americans dint watch men's soccer.. they have football
U have eggball which is dumb af as u throw it wit the hand. Also, NFL is registered as entertainment org so fixing and rigging games is legal. You’re not watching a serious “sport”
UsOFAmerica is backwards
Anonymous
11/03/2025 06:15
Subject: US-L folding
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think there is a pro-team tournament that could match-up USL teams vs NWSL teams. Maybe they would bring some interest.
They scrimmage each other preseason and the NWSL just slaughters USL teams.
They also do friendlies with Mexician teams and college teams like Florida State. (Who I think some NWSL team lost to last year)
The point is that if some really rich person wanted to make NWSL look bad they could just fund a USL team with superstar players. USL has no salary cap so this is completely viable. Think about it, the new Denver NWSL franchise was 110 million. Instead of paying NWSL why not just pay 20 of the top players in the world 1 million each season for 5 seasons on a USL team and beat everyone.
This looks to be exactly whats being setup to occur.
https://x.com/usmntonly/status/1984794201763299450
More likely to work fire mens team but when it comes to soccer...Americans dint watch men's soccer.. they have football
Anonymous
11/03/2025 01:10
Subject: US-L folding
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think there is a pro-team tournament that could match-up USL teams vs NWSL teams. Maybe they would bring some interest.
They scrimmage each other preseason and the NWSL just slaughters USL teams.
They also do friendlies with Mexician teams and college teams like Florida State. (Who I think some NWSL team lost to last year)
The point is that if some really rich person wanted to make NWSL look bad they could just fund a USL team with superstar players. USL has no salary cap so this is completely viable. Think about it, the new Denver NWSL franchise was 110 million. Instead of paying NWSL why not just pay 20 of the top players in the world 1 million each season for 5 seasons on a USL team and beat everyone.
This looks to be exactly whats being setup to occur.
https://x.com/usmntonly/status/1984794201763299450