Anonymous
11/02/2025 07:58
Subject: Is there any difference in terms of brand quality between T10 ivy and T10 non-ivy?
Anonymous wrote:Employers are not impressed with degrees from top 20 schools as they once were. It's the individual that stands out now.
A degree from a T20 school is what tips the scale in favor of an impressive candidate. It's similar to being legacy applicant to a top school...just one more boost.
Anonymous
11/02/2025 07:55
Subject: Is there any difference in terms of brand quality between T10 ivy and T10 non-ivy?
Anonymous wrote:The only brands that matter in American higher education are Harvard, Yale and Princeton.
No one really gives a shit about any of the others, and their names don’t carry well beyond the regions in which they are located.
And thanks to decades of failed social engineering experiments, even the HYP brands are now compromised and rapidly losing whatever value they once had.
Go to a school where you will be happy and do well. Don’t worry about the folks hold of a “brand”- it matters far less than you think.
I agree that brand recognition is less important than it used to be, and I also agree with the idea of “go to a school where you will be happy and do well.”
The problem is that there are still fields that hire only a handful of graduates from brand-name schools. As long as those fields exist, the pursuit of brand-name schools will continue.
Anonymous
11/02/2025 07:51
Subject: Is there any difference in terms of brand quality between T10 ivy and T10 non-ivy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why do you care about brand?
This is obviously an immigrant parent.
And their kids didn't get in ivies. Sad.
How could you have ivy status if the school does not recognize legacy?
Tech immigrant parents never would understand this. Ivy is not IIT.
Legacy is essential for maintaining the ivy network, plus donor and athletes.
If their kids go to MIT or JHU, good for them, but those never will have the same brand quality as Dartmouth. Period!
Anonymous
11/02/2025 05:34
Subject: Is there any difference in terms of brand quality between T10 ivy and T10 non-ivy?
Anonymous wrote:The only brands that matter in American higher education are Harvard, Yale and Princeton.
No one really gives a shit about any of the others, and their names don’t carry well beyond the regions in which they are located.
And thanks to decades of failed social engineering experiments, even the HYP brands are now compromised and rapidly losing whatever value they once had.
Go to a school where you will be happy and do well. Don’t worry about the folks hold of a “brand”- it matters far less than you think.
Yale? I’d argue MIT way before Yale. Yale does hardly anything of importance, beyond spitting out conservative justices that hardly anyone overseas can name.
Anonymous
11/02/2025 05:25
Subject: Is there any difference in terms of brand quality between T10 ivy and T10 non-ivy?
Anonymous wrote:Why do you care about brand?
This is obviously an immigrant parent.
Anonymous
11/02/2025 03:14
Subject: Is there any difference in terms of brand quality between T10 ivy and T10 non-ivy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MIT and Stanford are the most important schools in America. There's no reasonable debate about that.
And Duke, Chicago, CalTech, Northwestern, Rice, Vanderbilt, and Johns Hopkins are all just as good as the 8 schools in the Ivy league. It's some very fine parsing to distinguish them from the Ivy schools. Different vibes. But qualitatively no different and often better - especially in STEM. Only Cornell and Princeton are really competing there. The Ivy schools will always have the benefit of history. But that matters less and less.
If you are going to talk about T20 rather than limiting to T10, then Georgetown, WashU, Emory, Notre Dame are on the table too.
Georgetown, Washu, Notre Dame, Vandy, and especially Emory have lackluster stem and no notable top 10 mainstream programs like econ, social science, math, humanities, etc. Georgetown has SFS and Emory with nursing that's about it. Weak.
Anonymous
11/01/2025 20:37
Subject: Is there any difference in terms of brand quality between T10 ivy and T10 non-ivy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MIT and Stanford are the most important schools in America. There's no reasonable debate about that.
And Duke, Chicago, CalTech, Northwestern, Rice, Vanderbilt, and Johns Hopkins are all just as good as the 8 schools in the Ivy league. It's some very fine parsing to distinguish them from the Ivy schools. Different vibes. But qualitatively no different and often better - especially in STEM. Only Cornell and Princeton are really competing there. The Ivy schools will always have the benefit of history. But that matters less and less.
Why Stanford? I am not sure I agree. There’s so much fraud coming from the alumni of this school.
True. It's because Stanford typically accepts overly manufactured applications. Garbage in Garbage out.
Anonymous
11/01/2025 18:41
Subject: Re:Is there any difference in terms of brand quality between T10 ivy and T10 non-ivy?
The best brand is Harvard. It is heavily recruited by finance, healthcare, law, and tech companies. Stanford and M have brand values only in tech.
Anonymous
11/01/2025 16:38
Subject: Is there any difference in terms of brand quality between T10 ivy and T10 non-ivy?
Anonymous wrote:MIT and Stanford are the most important schools in America. There's no reasonable debate about that.
And Duke, Chicago, CalTech, Northwestern, Rice, Vanderbilt, and Johns Hopkins are all just as good as the 8 schools in the Ivy league. It's some very fine parsing to distinguish them from the Ivy schools. Different vibes. But qualitatively no different and often better - especially in STEM. Only Cornell and Princeton are really competing there. The Ivy schools will always have the benefit of history. But that matters less and less.
If you are going to talk about T20 rather than limiting to T10, then Georgetown, WashU, Emory, Notre Dame are on the table too.
Anonymous
11/01/2025 16:31
Subject: Is there any difference in terms of brand quality between T10 ivy and T10 non-ivy?
Anonymous wrote:MIT and Stanford are the most important schools in America. There's no reasonable debate about that.
And Duke, Chicago, CalTech, Northwestern, Rice, Vanderbilt, and Johns Hopkins are all just as good as the 8 schools in the Ivy league. It's some very fine parsing to distinguish them from the Ivy schools. Different vibes. But qualitatively no different and often better - especially in STEM. Only Cornell and Princeton are really competing there. The Ivy schools will always have the benefit of history. But that matters less and less.
Why Stanford? I am not sure I agree. There’s so much fraud coming from the alumni of this school.
Anonymous
11/01/2025 16:10
Subject: Is there any difference in terms of brand quality between T10 ivy and T10 non-ivy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why do you care about brand?
+100000
And these same people would turn around and buy BMW's, Mercedes, Hermes, Chanel, Louis Vuitton...
Anonymous
11/01/2025 16:02
Subject: Is there any difference in terms of brand quality between T10 ivy and T10 non-ivy?
MIT and Stanford are the most important schools in America. There's no reasonable debate about that.
And Duke, Chicago, CalTech, Northwestern, Rice, Vanderbilt, and Johns Hopkins are all just as good as the 8 schools in the Ivy league. It's some very fine parsing to distinguish them from the Ivy schools. Different vibes. But qualitatively no different and often better - especially in STEM. Only Cornell and Princeton are really competing there. The Ivy schools will always have the benefit of history. But that matters less and less.
And Duke, Chicago, CalTech, Northwestern, Rice, Vanderbilt, and Johns Hopkins are all just as good as the 8 schools in the Ivy league. It's some very fine parsing to distinguish them from the Ivy schools. Different vibes. But qualitatively no different and often better - especially in STEM. Only Cornell and Princeton are really competing there. The Ivy schools will always have the benefit of history. But that matters less and less.
Anonymous
11/01/2025 15:48
Subject: Is there any difference in terms of brand quality between T10 ivy and T10 non-ivy?
If you’ve worked at big-name companies, you’d already get it. If not, don’t sweat it — that world runs on its own network. The “branded” folks stick together — branded parents, branded kids. So ask yourself first, are you even part of that circle?
Anonymous
11/01/2025 15:23
Subject: Is there any difference in terms of brand quality between T10 ivy and T10 non-ivy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Employers are not impressed with degrees from top 20 schools as they once were. It's the individual that stands out now.
I wish this were true, and to some extent think it is beyond first job. However, I think the level of on campus recruitment/jobs posted only on private college/alumni sites for the Ivies is much larger than most people realize.
This may be true but many of those candidates are weaker or not interested so more opportunities for others.
Anonymous
11/01/2025 15:18
Subject: Is there any difference in terms of brand quality between T10 ivy and T10 non-ivy?
Anonymous wrote:Employers are not impressed with degrees from top 20 schools as they once were. It's the individual that stands out now.
I wish this were true, and to some extent think it is beyond first job. However, I think the level of on campus recruitment/jobs posted only on private college/alumni sites for the Ivies is much larger than most people realize.