Anonymous wrote:2018 data just before Pandemic

https://www.businessinsider.com/the-50-smartest-colleges-in-america-2016-10

Rank School SAT Score
1 California Institute of Technology 1544
2 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 1507
3 University of Chicago 1506
3 Franklin W. Olin College of Engineering 1506
5 Vanderbilt University 1498
5 Yale University 1498
7 Harvard University 1497
8 Princeton University 1490
9 Harvey Mudd College 1484
10 Rice University 1482
11 Stanford University 1479
12 Columbia University 1473
13 Washington University in St. Louis 1469
14 Northwestern University 1460
15 Brown University 1457
15 University of Pennsylvania 1457
17 University of Notre Dame 1455
18 Johns Hopkins University 1453
19 Amherst College 1451
20 Duke University 1450
21 Carnegie Mellon University 1448
22 Webb Institute 1442
22 Williams College 1442
24 Dartmouth College 1437
25 Northeastern University 1435
25 Pomona College 1435
27 Haverford College 1433
28 Swarthmore College 1431
29 Cornell University 1428
30 Tufts University 1424
31 Georgetown University 1416
32 Claremont McKenna College 1408
33 Vassar College 1405
34 Georgia Institute of Technology 1403
35 Grinnell College 1402
36 Carleton College 1400
37 Case Western Reserve University 1398
38 University of California, Berkeley 1397
39 Washington and Lee University 1395
40 University of Southern California 1391
41 University of Michigan, Ann Arbor 1384
42 Middlebury College 1383
42 Reed College 1383
44 Emory University 1380
44 Boston College 1380
46 Colgate University 1374
47 Wellesley College 1369
48 Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute 1368
49 University of Virginia 1364
50 Jewish Theological Seminary – List College 1363
50 Colby College 1363

2018 data just before Pandemic

https://www.businessinsider.com/the-50-smartest-colleges-in-america-2016-10

Just use Pre-TO score rankings by looking at CDS from fall 2019(19-20 cds) or fall 2020(20-21 cds).

MIT was at the top, then
Y, P, Stanford, H, Penn
Duke JHU Vandy(used to really care ab scores)
Dart Brown NWestern Cornell CMU
Rice WashU Gtown

Columbia and Chicago did not share CDS; Chic has been TO for years and Columbia hid their data--must not have been on par with the top half of the ivy or even the bottom half.

Bunch of shit without any source

Anonymous wrote:About half of 1500+ go to a T20
About 80% of 1540+ go to a T20

Where do you get this information? Guess my 1560 kid was part of the 20%. Denied by 2 Ivies and waitlisted at UVA in 2023.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:lol...UCLA makes it illegal to use SAT in admissions. This post is dumb

The UC system got sued and test blind was the result - it wasn’t UCLA’s decision.

False. The regents decreed it - even though it went against their own research findings. "In May 2020, the UC Regents voted to phase out admissions tests by 2025, against the recommendations of UC's own Standardized Testing Task Force (STTF; University of California Academic Senate, 2020)."

The Regents want to be able to engage in more social engineering than testing would allow.

Wrong- there was a settlement and a part of it was an agreement not to use standardized testing 21-25 https://publiccounsel.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Smith-v-UC-Regents_SETTLEMENT-AGREEMENT.pdf . Now that the settlement prohibition is expiring the Regent's have been considering bringing testing requirements back and if you read the minutes it is pretty obvious that Cal and UCLA want to bring it back. In addition they do accept AP scores which has been the work around for past several years.

This table is from 2020. A lot has happened since then.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:lol...UCLA makes it illegal to use SAT in admissions. This post is dumb

The UC system got sued and test blind was the result - it wasn’t UCLA’s decision.

False. The regents decreed it - even though it went against their own research findings. "In May 2020, the UC Regents voted to phase out admissions tests by 2025, against the recommendations of UC's own Standardized Testing Task Force (STTF; University of California Academic Senate, 2020)."

The Regents want to be able to engage in more social engineering than testing would allow.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:About half of 1500+ go to a T20
About 80% of 1540+ go to a T20

University 1500+ Class size % who submitted SAT #1500+
Brown 75%+ 1700 61 778
Caltech 75%+ 200 79 119
Carnegie Mellon 75%+ 1800 53 716
Columbia 75%+ 1500 40 450
Cornell 75%+ 3500 45 1182
Dartmouth 50%+ 1200 43 258
Duke 75%+ 1700 47 599
Emory 25%+ 1400 42 147
Georgetown 25%+ 1600 78 312
Harvard 75%+ 1600 52 624
Johns Hopkins 75%+ 1400 50 525
MIT 75%+ 1100 83 685
Northwestern 75%+ 2100 50 788
Notre Dame 50%+ 2000 31 310
NYU 50%+ 5800 27 783
Princeton 75%+ 1400 56 588
Rice 75%+ 1100 50 413
Stanford 75%+ 1700 50 638
UC Berkeley 25%+ 9100 21 478
UChicago 75%+ 1600 46 552
UCLA 25%+ 6600 18 297
UMich 25%+ 7300 18 329
UPenn 75%+ 2400 51 918
USC 50%+ 3600 32 576
UVirginia 25%+ 3900 46 449
Vanderbilt 75%+ 1600 25 300
WashU 75%+ 1800 29 392
Yale 75%+ 1500 61 686

Some of this is incorrect. USCs median is a 1480, so 50%+ at 1500 isnt possible. Also Emory's median is a 1510 so only 25% also isn't possible.

Plenty of numbers in this are inaccurate

Slightly outdated numbers. The percentage remains the same or is slightly higher if updated.

Anonymous wrote:Maybe this ranking should have considered the test-optional ratio as well — and then re-ranked the schools assuming a 100% test-required policy.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/1oi1lp9/t40_satbased_rerank_of_combined_2026_us_news/

It's also crazy how much lower the SAT scores are for schools that are no longer test-optional.

Anonymous wrote:About half of 1500+ go to a T20
About 80% of 1540+ go to a T20

University 1500+ Class size % who submitted SAT #1500+
Brown 75%+ 1700 61 778
Caltech 75%+ 200 79 119
Carnegie Mellon 75%+ 1800 53 716
Columbia 75%+ 1500 40 450
Cornell 75%+ 3500 45 1182
Dartmouth 50%+ 1200 43 258
Duke 75%+ 1700 47 599
Emory 25%+ 1400 42 147
Georgetown 25%+ 1600 78 312
Harvard 75%+ 1600 52 624
Johns Hopkins 75%+ 1400 50 525
MIT 75%+ 1100 83 685
Northwestern 75%+ 2100 50 788
Notre Dame 50%+ 2000 31 310
NYU 50%+ 5800 27 783
Princeton 75%+ 1400 56 588
Rice 75%+ 1100 50 413
Stanford 75%+ 1700 50 638
UC Berkeley 25%+ 9100 21 478
UChicago 75%+ 1600 46 552
UCLA 25%+ 6600 18 297
UMich 25%+ 7300 18 329
UPenn 75%+ 2400 51 918
USC 50%+ 3600 32 576
UVirginia 25%+ 3900 46 449
Vanderbilt 75%+ 1600 25 300
WashU 75%+ 1800 29 392
Yale 75%+ 1500 61 686

Some of this is incorrect. USCs median is a 1480, so 50%+ at 1500 isnt possible. Also Emory's median is a 1510 so only 25% also isn't possible.

Plenty of numbers in this are inaccurate