Anonymous wrote:I am not a numbers person. But, I remember a few years ago, that it was fairly easy to see how much IB cost vs AP. It was significant. I'm not just talking about the tests, but the training and the personnel.

i've tried to find it again, and I am extremely confused.

Does anyone here understand what I am talking about?

I think one of the things was the pay for the IB coordinator in each school. Also, for the training, etc, of IB teachers.

There are costs associated with the AP program as well. I think the real issue with IB is that the costs do not seem to translate to a reasonable number of kids completing the IB Diploma or even taking a reasonable number of IB tests. The cost per pupil ends up being far higher because of the smaller number of students that end up in the classes, taking the tests, or finishing the diploma. AP classes are shorter, 1 year compared to 2 years for IB courses, and are far more varied in their options so they are more available to students then IB classes. IB you have to take the IB tests as seniors, regardless of when you finish the class so it is more stressful and you end up with fewer kids taking multiple IB sciences, imagine taking IB tests in Bio, Chem, Physics, English, History, and Math as a senior. Now spread that out over 3-4 years with AP tests, what do you think is going to end up being preferred?

I am not a numbers person. But, I remember a few years ago, that it was fairly easy to see how much IB cost vs AP. It was significant. I'm not just talking about the tests, but the training and the personnel.

i've tried to find it again, and I am extremely confused.

Does anyone here understand what I am talking about?

I think one of the things was the pay for the IB coordinator in each school. Also, for the training, etc, of IB teachers.

Yes, need to get rid of AP for equity reasons. More dumbing down of the educational opportunities FCPS. We can’t raise the floor so let’s lower the the ceiling to obtain equitable outcomes.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know much about it. AP seems to me to be working.
She did say Cambridge is much cheaper.

But, I don't see anything happening on that front this year. Too many other moving parts.

AAP culminates in TJ for our top students.

Why switch to another european program when IB is such a failure and waste of money?

She's talking about eliminating AP, not AAP.

But, yeah, she's pretty out there to toss out the idea of eliminating AP.

Girl needs a better filter.

https://www.cambridgeinternational.org/why-choose-us/find-a-cambridge-school/

Just tried out this find it link. Clicked on a couple of states--just get a town/city or two in the states listed.

So, of course FCPS will jump on something unneeded and untested.

The schools in PWCPS that have the Carnegie Programme also have AP classes. So they did not get rid of AP for Cambridge.

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Anonymous wrote:Robyn Lady said at the work session on KAA yesterday that she wants to eliminate AP in FCPS because it's too expensive.

What exactly does she want to replace AP with - clearly she doesn't want to replace it with IB, which she knows is even more expensive - and how would this serve FCPS students?

I hope she misspoke and meant dump IB. That I can support.

She said the new western HS can’t be an IB school because it’s too close to South Lakes, which is IB. But then she went on to say they need to get rid of all the AP schools because it’s too expensive and replace AP with “Carnegie,” only to say later she really meant “Cambridge.”

Yet IB is more expensive than AP and she said nothing about getting rid of IB.

Yes, and she said when they bought the school that this would be great to reduce the overcrowding at Chantilly. But, then at a later work session (after meeting with Fairfacts/Great Falls) she said it should be a magnet/academy because it would be a shame to eliminate those "beautiful small spaces" in KAA.

Not sure what her agenda is, but she does represent Dranesville. There are a lot of people in Dranesville against this new school.

She really seems to spend a lot of time with the Great Falls Fairfacts folks. They are her constituents so I guess that’s fair. But, as a constituent in another area of her district, I don’t feel represented at all. Plus she doesn’t seem to do the work to understand issues. She just relies on her personal feelings and experiences.

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Anonymous wrote:Robyn Lady said at the work session on KAA yesterday that she wants to eliminate AP in FCPS because it's too expensive.

What exactly does she want to replace AP with - clearly she doesn't want to replace it with IB, which she knows is even more expensive - and how would this serve FCPS students?

I hope she misspoke and meant dump IB. That I can support.

She said the new western HS can’t be an IB school because it’s too close to South Lakes, which is IB. But then she went on to say they need to get rid of all the AP schools because it’s too expensive and replace AP with “Carnegie,” only to say later she really meant “Cambridge.”

Yet IB is more expensive than AP and she said nothing about getting rid of IB.

Yes, and she said when they bought the school that this would be great to reduce the overcrowding at Chantilly. But, then at a later work session (after meeting with Fairfacts/Great Falls) she said it should be a magnet/academy because it would be a shame to eliminate those "beautiful small spaces" in KAA.

Not sure what her agenda is, but she does represent Dranesville. There are a lot of people in Dranesville against this new school.

Anonymous wrote:If she really thinks it's expensive do what our private school does - make parents pay for the exam.

I know, I know, equity. But I believe parents would pick that over some alternative very few people have heard of for purposes of the college admissions rat race.

Pay for one AP a year for everyone and additional APs for FARMs kids. Families not on FARMs can apply based on need.

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Anonymous wrote:Robyn Lady said at the work session on KAA yesterday that she wants to eliminate AP in FCPS because it's too expensive.

What exactly does she want to replace AP with - clearly she doesn't want to replace it with IB, which she knows is even more expensive - and how would this serve FCPS students?

I hope she misspoke and meant dump IB. That I can support.

She said the new western HS can’t be an IB school because it’s too close to South Lakes, which is IB. But then she went on to say they need to get rid of all the AP schools because it’s too expensive and replace AP with “Carnegie,” only to say later she really meant “Cambridge.”

Yet IB is more expensive than AP and she said nothing about getting rid of IB.

If she really thinks it's expensive do what our private school does - make parents pay for the exam.

I know, I know, equity. But I believe parents would pick that over some alternative very few people have heard of for purposes of the college admissions rat race.

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Anonymous wrote:Good

Getting rid of IB at the IB schools would make infinitely more sense than getting rid of AP, especially if cost is a consideration.

+1. We don’t need yet another system. Dump IB and save tons.

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Anonymous wrote:She is not very bright, and her political instincts are unfailingly terrible.

This. And yet she will be re-elected.

Anonymous wrote:This is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard from a School Board member, and the competition is fierce.

+1. Does she have kids in FCPS or any other district? If so, I hope she forbids them from taking any AP classes.

Anonymous wrote:Robyn Lady said at the work session on KAA yesterday that she wants to eliminate AP in FCPS because it's too expensive.

What exactly does she want to replace AP with - clearly she doesn't want to replace it with IB, which she knows is even more expensive - and how would this serve FCPS students?

I hope she misspoke and meant dump IB. That I can support.

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Anonymous wrote:This is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard from a School Board member, and the competition is fierce.

She is really bad at her job. She knows very little beyond her experience in one position at FCPS. Everything is about the master schedule for her.

She was definitely the least informed person speaking during the working session. She also contradicted herself multiple times with what she was saying about magnet vs traditional school.

Anonymous wrote:This is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard from a School Board member, and the competition is fierce.

She is really bad at her job. She knows very little beyond her experience in one position at FCPS. Everything is about the master schedule for her.