It might also be that students aren’t willing to go into debt for a college degree because the employment situation sucks for recent grads. Who wants all that debt while working at WFs or some other job one is overqualified for? College is for rich people now.

Anonymous wrote:For years, UMC and wealthy black students have been able to glide into T20 schools because they check the right race box. We’ve all seen it in the private schools. Now everyone has to compete.

The focus should be on smart FGLI students who don’t get all the privileges and benefits of wealthy private school students who use race as a hook.

I don’t know. URM kids at our school still got ivies this year, maybe not Princeton. I am not sure they are affected by the policy.

Anonymous wrote:Filtering for FGLI is going to pull in a lot of JD Vance-ish rural white kids and children of recent immigrants. It's not a panacea for filling the class with blacks.

FGLI smart students are not the hillbilly elegy writers. Many are progressive people who can’t stand the toxic MAGAT culture.

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Anonymous wrote:For years, UMC and wealthy black students have been able to glide into T20 schools because they check the right race box. We’ve all seen it in the private schools. Now everyone has to compete.

The focus should be on smart FGLI students who don’t get all the privileges and benefits of wealthy private school students who use race as a hook.

Why are poor students more "worthy" than Black students? Both have experienced obstacles.

Yeah I don't get why we're all of sudden putting FGLI on a pedestal at expense of Black students? Black Americans experience a lot of racism, even if they're rich. FGLI are going to take the brunt of White/Asian resentment next.

The schools emphasizing fgli is a way to find black americans in an indirect way, (the low income ones which overlap in the venn diagram of these two populations) without explicitly using race based affirmative action. Anyway, why should rich black americans get an advantage over poor black americans?

They’re rich. They should get better treatment.

Filtering for FGLI is going to pull in a lot of JD Vance-ish rural white kids and children of recent immigrants. It's not a panacea for filling the class with blacks.

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Anonymous wrote:For years, UMC and wealthy black students have been able to glide into T20 schools because they check the right race box. We’ve all seen it in the private schools. Now everyone has to compete.

The focus should be on smart FGLI students who don’t get all the privileges and benefits of wealthy private school students who use race as a hook.

Why are poor students more "worthy" than Black students? Both have experienced obstacles.

Yeah I don't get why we're all of sudden putting FGLI on a pedestal at expense of Black students? Black Americans experience a lot of racism, even if they're rich. FGLI are going to take the brunt of White/Asian resentment next.

The schools emphasizing fgli is a way to find black americans in an indirect way, (the low income ones which overlap in the venn diagram of these two populations) without explicitly using race based affirmative action. Anyway, why should rich black americans get an advantage over poor black americans?

I'd just like to brag that I predicted this. When the Supreme Court decision came out, I posted several times here that it was likely to halve the number of black students at elites, which is roughly what it's done here. Liberals didn't seem to want to believe it would go that low if admission was more based on merit. Conservatives thought the colleges would just cheat and keep the numbers in line with where they were. But here we are and it's down by about half. I win.

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Anonymous wrote:The visa issues this year might be part of the cause. A lot of Black students at the Ivies are international.

Yes. That is an issue. A very high percentage of black students at Princeton and Harvard are African or from the Caribbean. The troubles with visas for international students will undoubtedly have a huge impact on the number of black students at these schools, especially now that you can't use race as a hook. A lot of talent came from abroad.

We shouldn’t be importing diversity-that’s a waste of money and time. If black Americans want to succeed, they’ll do it on their own accord

Anonymous wrote:The visa issues this year might be part of the cause. A lot of Black students at the Ivies are international.

Yes. That is an issue. A very high percentage of black students at Princeton and Harvard are African or from the Caribbean. The troubles with visas for international students will undoubtedly have a huge impact on the number of black students at these schools, especially now that you can't use race as a hook. A lot of talent came from abroad.

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Anonymous wrote:Massive drop in black student population at Princeton University: https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2025/09/princeton-news-stlife-five-percent-class-of-2029-identify-black-african-american

This is painful for the missing Black kids who could have done well at Princeton, and benefited from Princeton’s resources.

This is also terrible for the other kids at Princeton. Non-Black students will get much less exposure to the perspectives of Black students, in a country and world where a growing percentage of the population is Black. Princeton will be less effective at preparing students to live in the world of the future.

- A White Person

As will continue, we will create technologies without thinking about the users who aren’t white/asian. Why people aren’t interested in improving our education system so we don’t have to give anyone boosts and can just admit by profile is beyond me. Instead, we act as if everyone has the same opportunities and ultimately make overly Asian classes.

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Anonymous wrote:Massive drop in black student population at Princeton University: https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2025/09/princeton-news-stlife-five-percent-class-of-2029-identify-black-african-american

The fact that there was such a notable drop shows just how much of a thumb on the scale was being given to race conscious admissions during the era pf affirmative action.

No…not at all. Like this makes no sense because this drop is in relation to the class of 2028.

Anonymous wrote:Massive drop in black student population at Princeton University: https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2025/09/princeton-news-stlife-five-percent-class-of-2029-identify-black-african-american

This is painful for the missing Black kids who could have done well at Princeton, and benefited from Princeton’s resources.

This is also terrible for the other kids at Princeton. Non-Black students will get much less exposure to the perspectives of Black students, in a country and world where a growing percentage of the population is Black. Princeton will be less effective at preparing students to live in the world of the future.

- A White Person

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Anonymous wrote:For years, UMC and wealthy black students have been able to glide into T20 schools because they check the right race box. We’ve all seen it in the private schools. Now everyone has to compete.

The focus should be on smart FGLI students who don’t get all the privileges and benefits of wealthy private school students who use race as a hook.

Why are poor students more "worthy" than Black students? Both have experienced obstacles.

Yeah I don't get why we're all of sudden putting FGLI on a pedestal at expense of Black students? Black Americans experience a lot of racism, even if they're rich. FGLI are going to take the brunt of White/Asian resentment next.

Anonymous wrote:For years, UMC and wealthy black students have been able to glide into T20 schools because they check the right race box. We’ve all seen it in the private schools. Now everyone has to compete.

The focus should be on smart FGLI students who don’t get all the privileges and benefits of wealthy private school students who use race as a hook.

Why are poor students more "worthy" than Black students. Both have experienced obstacles.

Should be merit based and don’t punish kids with successful parents. Bring back test requirements! Grade inflation is the issue. Kids taking ap calc and getting an A but can’t do well in college.