Anonymous wrote:This is why we homeschool.

Sometimes I really want to go into the homeschooling section of dcum and every time someone complains about homeschooling is really hard I should brag about why I go to public school. I swear homeschooling parents are like the most insecure social awkward twits

Yes, just not at the richer school. Its sad a teacher doesn't want students - seems a bit racist.

Anonymous wrote:What MCPS doesn’t understand is that at places like Wheaton where the population of English Language Learners is huge the “push in” model for kids who know no English is a recipe for failure.

And it sucks for kids who would like a more advanced English class but don't quite want to take AP English.

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Not a troll post. The school is Wheaton HS. I need to clarify:

1. This is a HIGH school. We do not have pull outs. Not for language learning services. This is not a post for ES or MS.

2. Yes, EML (English Multilingual Learners) have always been in Gen Ed. BUT, up until this year, it has been Level 3s and Level 4s (kids who have at least some English proficiency.

3. I am talking about a change from Level 1s and 2s (new arrivals or kids with little to no English language) having used to have the option for a slower/sheltered English class to now being pushed into the “Honors for all” classes (Wheaton no longer has “on-level”).

While I understand this is DC “moms and dads” this is more of a post asking other teachers what is happening at their schools.

Oh wow, I am so glad you updated. My just graduated from Wheaton. Spent first semester senior year in AP English but decided to drop down to English Honors for second semester. "Honors" 12th grade English sounded awful. Said they did not read entire books, just abridged/excerpted and that they spent class time reading taking turns reading the reading aloud!

This "honors for all" thing is a farce. There should be AP, Honors, and Grade Level, or something of that sort. It's ridiculous to throw all the kids into one level except for AP, especially at a school like Wheaton with such a huge breadth of student experiences. I understand your post is about it being bad for the ELL and I agree. But it's also bad for the kids who are at a high level because the class is not challenging enough.

I attended DCPS elementary school in the 1980s and the kids who could not speak English seemed to spend most of the day in class with us and maybe an hour or two with the ESL teacher.

We did not have a special ESL section.

Aren’t there far fewer new students this year who speak zero English? I assume Trump has scared off immigrants trying to cross the border.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Not a troll post. The school is Wheaton HS. I need to clarify:

1. This is a HIGH school. We do not have pull outs. Not for language learning services. This is not a post for ES or MS.

2. Yes, EML (English Multilingual Learners) have always been in Gen Ed. BUT, up until this year, it has been Level 3s and Level 4s (kids who have at least some English proficiency.

3. I am talking about a change from Level 1s and 2s (new arrivals or kids with little to no English language) having used to have the option for a slower/sheltered English class to now being pushed into the “Honors for all” classes (Wheaton no longer has “on-level”).

While I understand this is DC “moms and dads” this is more of a post asking other teachers what is happening at their schools.

Highschool? That's great. They are probably in Honors English no less.

Yes there is only Honors English now

What MCPS doesn’t understand is that at places like Wheaton where the population of English Language Learners is huge the “push in” model for kids who know no English is a recipe for failure.

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Anonymous wrote:No OP is right. Level I ESOL students used to have their own English class, often double period. This year that is gone and they are in General Ed English Classes and it is INSANE.

I do not agree with it either. Where are the basics, what are they supposed to be doing, learning to say Hello and simultaneously reading novels?

Dumbest thing Maryland has done. It is state led btw OP, not an MCPS thing from what I understand.

Thank you for clarifying. So all MCPS schools are doing this? Can we not go to the news or somebody about this? I am leaving crying every day because I feel these kids are not being set up for success

Complain to the ELD secondary office, if there's enough of us doing so, maybe they will listen

Our MCEA rep is planning on doing just that

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Not a troll post. The school is Wheaton HS. I need to clarify:

1. This is a HIGH school. We do not have pull outs. Not for language learning services. This is not a post for ES or MS.

2. Yes, EML (English Multilingual Learners) have always been in Gen Ed. BUT, up until this year, it has been Level 3s and Level 4s (kids who have at least some English proficiency.

3. I am talking about a change from Level 1s and 2s (new arrivals or kids with little to no English language) having used to have the option for a slower/sheltered English class to now being pushed into the “Honors for all” classes (Wheaton no longer has “on-level”).

While I understand this is DC “moms and dads” this is more of a post asking other teachers what is happening at their schools.

Highschool? That's great. They are probably in Honors English no less.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No OP is right. Level I ESOL students used to have their own English class, often double period. This year that is gone and they are in General Ed English Classes and it is INSANE.

I do not agree with it either. Where are the basics, what are they supposed to be doing, learning to say Hello and simultaneously reading novels?

Dumbest thing Maryland has done. It is state led btw OP, not an MCPS thing from what I understand.

Thank you for clarifying. So all MCPS schools are doing this? Can we not go to the news or somebody about this? I am leaving crying every day because I feel these kids are not being set up for success

Complain to the ELD secondary office, if there's enough of us doing so, maybe they will listen

Anonymous wrote:I believe the sheltered classes are still there for science and math but they took them away from social studies and English

Makes no sense not to do it for English

Anonymous wrote:I believe the sheltered classes are still there for science and math but they took them away from social studies and English

Makes sense. Let’s take away the supported English class for kids who don’t know English 😳🙄

I believe the sheltered classes are still there for science and math but they took them away from social studies and English

OP, I'm a teacher at a different Maryland county. It's the same thing here. I'm a secondary English teacher expected to teach novels to level 1 MLs alongside students reading at almost college levels. I have no co-teacher or supports.